Autism or possession

[good samaritan]

I think because some have seen spiritual abuse or experienced failure they have thrown the baby out with the bath water: I felt to randomly go pray for my aunt years ago because she was in her final stages of cancer. One night after church full of expectation I stopped by unannounced and asked to pray for her. She allowed me to pray and I shortly left. She died soon later. It took the wind out of my sails. Why did I feel so strongly led to pray for her if nothing was going to happen? I still don’t know the answer to that today, but I haven’t stopped believing God. I feel like a failure sometimes, but I know that God is able.

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

A missionary went to the Marshall Islands to preach the word. When he got there he was seeing miraculous miracles, people being lifted from the hospital beds, cancers falling off, the dead raised to life again, demons casted out etc.. Then a certain organization started sending out "care packages" that contained Tylenol, Ibuprofen, and you know what brother? The miracles stopped! The missionary stopped seeing the dead raised to life again, he stopped seeing the demons casted out.

You want to see miracles like they see it in third world countries, start trusting in God like some pentecostals trust in their doctors.

Perhaps America will become a third world country and then you'll have no choice but to either to believe in a healing or meet your maker.

Are you really preaching against Tylenol? ROFL Could be God let us invent Tylenol so we could handle some of our own problems. Did you ever consider that the constant looking under a rock for every demon might cause more damage in the long run than actually finding a demon (which rarely happens)?

Freddy Clark's son tried to cast my headache out of me when I was 19 (8 times, I might add - it got worse as he kept shaking me around). I went home and took at Tylenol and it went away. Perhaps his wedding ring got in the way.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

Are you really preaching against Tylenol? ROFL Could be God let us invent Tylenol so we could handle some of our own problems. Did you ever consider that the constant looking under a rock for every demon might cause more damage in the long run than actually finding a demon (which rarely happens)?

Freddy Clark's son tried to cast my headache out of me when I was 19 (8 times, I might add - it got worse as he kept shaking me around). I went home and took at Tylenol and it went away. Perhaps his wedding ring got in the way.

Point made.

If you can't trust God with a headache, then with all due respect don't trust him for your bigger problems.

Mormons are big on this idea that we have the power to do things on our own. I heard a mormon the other day, "I don't need Jesus to tell me..." why, because through his "powerful" mind he can figure it out himself.

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

Have you ever consider that the constant looking under a rock for every demon might cause more damage in the long run than actually finding a demon (which rarely happens)?

The missionary was talking more about the fact that when "help" arrived the dependency on Christ left, so did the miracles.

Like the Chinese nationals said as they visited different churches in the US. They said "they were shocked how the American church can do so much without God." Sad my friend, pretty sad

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Point made.

If you can't trust God with a headache, then with all due respect don't trust him for your bigger problems.

Mormons are big on this idea that we have the power to do things on our own. I heard a mormon the other day, "I don't need Jesus to tell me..." why, because through his "powerful" mind he can figure it out himself.



The missionary was talking more about the fact that when "help" arrived the dependency on Christ left, so did the miracles.

Like the Chinese nationals said as they visited different churches in the US. They said "they were shocked how the American church can do so much without God." Sad my friend, pretty sad

You're conflating a lot of different things here. God gave us brains to figure things out. We should also depend on him. Building megachurches or whatever your point is does not mean we should dumbly just wait for God to solve our problems.

You shouldn't have to have a 3 night revival to get rid of your headache (and you'd arguably get a headache depending on how loud the music was) when you can pop a Tylenol and go about your day, or you know, use your brain to figure out you're dehydrated and go drink some more water.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

You're conflating a lot of different things here. God gave us brains to figure things out. We should also depend on him. Building megachurches or whatever your point is does not mean we should dumbly just wait for God to solve our problems.

You shouldn't have to have a 3 night revival to get rid of your headache (and you'd arguably get a headache depending on how loud the music was) when you can pop a Tylenol and go about your day, or you know, use your brain to figure out you're dehydrated and go drink some more water.

You're correct he did.

He also gave us a free will to do whatever we want. Yet, if we want the blessings of his spirit we no longer rely on our knowledge but rather we rely on him. The thing about the headache, take one if you want to, just told the story as it was told to me.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

You're correct he did.

He also gave us a free will to do whatever we want. Yet, if we want the blessings of his spirit we no longer rely on our knowledge but rather we rely on him. The thing about the headache, take one if you want to, just told the story as it was told to me.

Didn't Jesus say that those who are healthy don't need a doctor, but those who are badly ill? Also the prophet was instructed to make a poultice, Isaiah 38:21, 2 Kings 20:7. In Colossians 4:14 we are introduced to Luke the beloved doctor. But also in Matthew 9:29 "According to your faith be it unto you." Therefore those who are strong in faith, would receive. It looks like from what I'm reading in your posts, is that you tell people; "The thing about Tylenol "ibuprofen" for headaches, you can take one if you want to, but as for me and my house we will serve the Lord?" You see, the word "miracle" actually is defined as a highly improbable or extraordinary event. So, instead of praying for a acid reflux, the Apostle tells the evangelist to drink a little wine for his illness 1 Timothy 5:23. So, if people in your church family want to take aspirin or magnesium for a headache, you wouldn't be ok with that? What do you think about Midol (Acetaminophen)?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Most Christians today are so busy labelling things demonic that are not demonic that they have no actual awareness of the actual activity of actual demons.

According to the Bible, demonisation seems to manifest in one of several specific ways:

1. The stereotypical foaming at the mouth psychosis (man in the tombs).

2. Divination (pythoness soothsayer in Acts).

3. Apparently religiously correct behaviour (man in the synagogue - it seems he was completely undercover).

4. Saul's case which is complex and may not indicate demonisation but rather being afflicted or harassed by a change of temperament or mood.

5. Long standing infirmity or physical impairment that presents no different symptoms from a similar purely physical infirmity or impairment (woman in Luke 13, deaf mute in Mark 9, etc).

6. Idolatry (heathen gods are demons and so pagan religion is literal demon worship, a form of the lowest stupidity).

In no case in Scripture is there ANY treatment protocol EXCEPT rebuking and casting the evil spirit out. No "taking an inventory of unrepented sins", no probing into the victim's "troubled childhood", no months-long "progress through multiple deliverance sessions", or anything remotely resembling what is usually presented nowadays. Today's methods honestly sound more like charismaniac pop psychology rather than apostolic power. Or standard witchdoctor exorcism practices, to be honest.

Meanwhile, so many people going on about the demonic yet they have no problem celebrating the rites of ancient demon worship as long as it's done "for Jesus", nor do they seem aware or even care that false religion which masquerades as God's religion but which contradicts the Word of God is literally "of the devil" according to Jesus.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Meanwhile, so many people going on about the demonic yet they have no problem celebrating the rites of ancient demon worship as long as it's done "for Jesus", nor do they seem aware or even care that false religion which masquerades as God's religion but which contradicts the Word of God is literally "of the devil" according to Jesus.

I have been in churches where the music and going on in the congregation was more closer to Voodoo than Apostolic Pentecostal. People who were supposedly filled with the Holy Ghost were more like filled with Legion.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I have been in churches where the music and going on in the congregation was more closer to Voodoo than Apostolic Pentecostal. People who were supposedly filled with the Holy Ghost were more like filled with Legion.

I'm pretty open-minded when it comes to local "style" but yes, some places are a little, uh, weird.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I'm pretty open-minded when it comes to local "style" but yes, some places are a little, uh, weird.

I'm not talking about some outlandish ecclesiastical boot scoot boogie. The kind that makes one scratch their head, and visitors slowly creep to the exit.