Hmmm.....this is different than what I heard, but mine was second hand info. So you're probably right. Funny how two people can get different things from what someone says....maybe the person who told me was wanting to hear what they did.
I really hate this; I so hope it's not true. But it's beginning to look weird.
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Bishop Long was born in Charlotte, N.C., where his father, Floyd Long, was a Baptist minister and owned a service station. In interviews and his books, he has described his father as a drinker and emotionally distant.
“To be candid, I’ve been working to remove the tentacles of nearly 40 years’ worth of pain and complications that came my way against my will during the first 12 years of my life, and my father was a preacher,” he wrote in his 2002 self-help book, “What a Man Wants, What a Woman Needs.”
He studied business at North Carolina Central University, then went to work as a sales representative for the Ford Motor Company, but was fired over inaccuracies in his expense accounts. He moved to Atlanta to study theology and became the pastor of a small church in Jonesboro, Ga.
He takes 3 million salary. Plus perks. He is surrounded by body guards. I guess God can't protect him.
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B]Ford [/B]revealed today that its CEO Alan Mullaly was compensated with a package worth $21.7 million last year. His base pay was $2 million and he received incentive bonuses totaling $7 million.
Mullaly is a friend of one the the VP's in my company from back when he was at Boeing. They can't run wild and crazy pay schemes like the pastors that own their own churches.
Hmmm.....this is different than what I heard, but mine was second hand info. So you're probably right. Funny how two people can get different things from what someone says....maybe the person who told me was wanting to hear what they did.
I really hate this; I so hope it's not true. But it's beginning to look weird.
I agree with you Sherri. I didn't get out of it what MOW said, and if I'm hearing MOW correctly, I'm monumentally disappointed at his take. Shocked, hurt, and sickened actually. But I'm hoping when he clarifies, he makes it sound better.
But anyway, here is the link to what Eddie Long said. And I desperately hope he is not the man being portrayed. I can't stand the TBN prosperity thing, but I really like Eddie Long.
I agree with you Sherri. I didn't get out of it what MOW said, and if I'm hearing MOW correctly, I'm monumentally disappointed at his take. Shocked, hurt, and sickened actually. But I'm hoping when he clarifies, he makes it sound better.
But anyway, here is the link to what Eddie Long said. And I desperately hope he is not the man being portrayed. I can't stand the TBN prosperity thing, but I really like Eddie Long.
I said what I said. I said that I know of this taking place in some ministers lives...I did not say I have experience. I don't live in a cave and I do have many friends from different cultural backgrounds. I'm not throwing rocks and I DO hope that that Bishop is not guilty of this lifestyle. But if he is, he won't be the first preacher who has engaged in this type of behavior.
If you listen to what he said, he said that he was not the man being portrayed on TV and he did say that he was going to fight it. That could mean a lot of things and certainly doesn't mean that he is innocent. His words need to be compared to others in similar situations who first denied then when the truth came out, they were guilty. Once again, I hope he is not one of them. It just doesn't look like that to me. Those of you who have no close friends in different cultures really won't have a clue as to what I'm saying. Again, I'm not saying it's widespread, I'm saying it's been more common than what some believe.
It's too late pray for his innocence.....I pray for truth to prevail. I just really hope that truth vindicates him!
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I said what I said. I said that I know of this taking place in some ministers lives...I did not say I have experience. I don't live in a cave and I do have many friends from different cultural backgrounds. I'm not throwing rocks and I DO hope that that Bishop is not guilty of this lifestyle. But if he is, he won't be the first preacher who has engaged in this type of behavior.
If you listen to what he said, he said that he was not the man being portrayed on TV and he did say that he was going to fight it. That could mean a lot of things and certainly doesn't mean that he is innocent. His words need to be compared to others in similar situations who first denied then when the truth came out, they were guilty. Once again, I hope he is not one of them. It just doesn't look like that to me. Those of you who have no close friends in different cultures really won't have a clue as to what I'm saying. Again, I'm not saying it's widespread, I'm saying it's been more common than what some believe.
It's too late pray for his innocence.....I pray for truth to prevail. I just really hope that truth vindicates him!
No, originally you said you know of this going on in the lives of several BLACK preachers. Here, you just say, "preachers". There was a clear racial distinction, and the implication was, this happens in the lives of black preachers and seemed to imply that it's not as common in the lives of preachers of other races. Did I understand that incorrectly? If so, I'll cease and desist. But if that's what you meant......wow. I see Eddie Long, here, as a human being who is a pastor. His race seems completely irrelevant.
There are numerous possibilities as to what his "perfect man" statement could have meant and his lack of complete denial. He may have been referring to his guilt in using a lack of discretion of maybe getting too close to these boys, in the lack of wisdom in sending pictures by cell phone....and who knows....Long is a physical fitness freak...maybe in a discussion he was encouraging someone to take care of himself and sent a picture to show the benefits, that at the age of 57 he looks like he does. Maybe. We don't know. And until we know, I would think we would uncover every possibility of innocence so as not to "rejoice not in another's iniquity."
I said what I said. I said that I know of this taking place in some ministers lives...I did not say I have experience. I don't live in a cave and I do have many friends from different cultural backgrounds. I'm not throwing rocks and I DO hope that that Bishop is not guilty of this lifestyle. But if he is, he won't be the first preacher who has engaged in this type of behavior.
If you listen to what he said, he said that he was not the man being portrayed on TV and he did say that he was going to fight it. That could mean a lot of things and certainly doesn't mean that he is innocent. His words need to be compared to others in similar situations who first denied then when the truth came out, they were guilty. Once again, I hope he is not one of them. It just doesn't look like that to me. Those of you who have no close friends in different cultures really won't have a clue as to what I'm saying. Again, I'm not saying it's widespread, I'm saying it's been more common than what some believe.
It's too late pray for his innocence.....I pray for truth to prevail. I just really hope that truth vindicates him!
MOW, I know what you are saying and Mr. Smith, he's right. It's a very common thing to hear of this in my area. It's on the news all the time. All denominations of course, but it's an issue that I hear a lot about with COGIC being headquarted here in Memphis.
I will also say that it happens to all races. However, the "down low" thing seems to be a huge issue right now in COGIC.
One incident supposedly happened here in Memphis at the Peabody.
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Hmmm.....this is different than what I heard, but mine was second hand info. So you're probably right. Funny how two people can get different things from what someone says....maybe the person who told me was wanting to hear what they did.
I really hate this; I so hope it's not true. But it's beginning to look weird.
They played a clip of the Bishop on the news and MOW is right - he never said he was innocent. Matter of fact, how he said it made me feel like he very well knows it might be a long battle ahead. If I was innocent, I would have said those very words leaving no room for doubt. There was plenty of room left for doubt.
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They played a clip of the Bishop on the news and MOW is right - he never said he was innocent. Matter of fact, how he said it made me feel like he very well knows it might be a long battle ahead. If I was innocent, I would have said those very words leaving any room for doubt. There was plenty of room left for doubt.
Yes, I agree. It left me thinking that some women might come crawling out of the woodwork. He knows that a lawsuit if going to bring out some stuff, for sure.
They played a clip of the Bishop on the news and MOW is right - he never said he was innocent. Matter of fact, how he said it made me feel like he very well knows it might be a long battle ahead. If I was innocent, I would have said those very words leaving no room for doubt. There was plenty of room left for doubt.
I'm gonna repost what I said in Post #84. I don't understand the problem with his proclaiming that he's not a perfect man. Please consider these possibilities:
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There are numerous possibilities as to what his "perfect man" statement could have meant and his lack of complete denial. He may have been referring to his guilt in using a lack of discretion of maybe getting too close to these boys, in the lack of wisdom in sending pictures by cell phone....and who knows....Long is a physical fitness freak...maybe in a discussion he was encouraging someone to take care of himself and sent a picture to show the benefits, that at the age of 57 he looks like he does. Maybe. We don't know. And until we know, I would think we would uncover every possibility of innocence so as not to "rejoice not in another's iniquity."
I'm gonna repost what I said in Post #84. I don't understand the problem with his proclaiming that he's not a perfect man. Please consider these possibilities:
Post #84:
There are numerous possibilities as to what his "perfect man" statement could have meant and his lack of complete denial. He may have been referring to his guilt in using a lack of discretion of maybe getting too close to these boys, in the lack of wisdom in sending pictures by cell phone....and who knows....Long is a physical fitness freak...maybe in a discussion he was encouraging someone to take care of himself and sent a picture to show the benefits, that at the age of 57 he looks like he does. Maybe. We don't know. And until we know, I would think we would uncover every possibility of innocence so as not to "rejoice not in another's iniquity."
The Bishop didn't say he was completely innocent at all. He said that he was not the man that they're saying he is. He did not categorically deny that any of this happened. I hope I'm wrong (seriously) but this just seems like he is leaving way too much wiggle room. I am personally aware of this type of behavior among some black preachers. This on the "down-low" behavior has affected far more than we'll ever know. I am not painting with a broad brush, I am only speaking from what I have knowledge of. I know this is a minority who engage is this behavior, but it is NOT behavior that his church folks are clueless about. Maybe clueless regarding him, but not the life style itself.
I truly hope he is innocent, but from everything I've seen so far, I predict that it will come out that the allegations are true. At least he didn't do the Ted Haggard, "I don't know this man" shuffle.
I say give 'em all lie detector tests and see how they come out. If it was me and I was accused of anything like this, I would be willing to do that and make it public if the accusers would as well. I am really saddened by all of this.
I was hoping that MOW might have given a little more clarity to his statement. Either way, I am aware of this type of behavior in preachers of all colors and cultures. As a matter of fact the Catholic Church, in which this sort of behavior may be most prevalent, an overwhelming majority (almost to the point of exclusivity) have been white. I don't associate the behavior with their color. I'm just making an observation that is relevant to this discussion.
Haggard and some of the other notable preachers who have been involved in sex scandals come to mind. This sort of thing has unfortunately been uncovered in the UPC. Without saying any names, to the best of my recollection none were black.
I'm not trying to start an argument. This is just my reaction to what I read.
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