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02-06-2011, 12:28 PM
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Re: The State of the UPC
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Perhaps their social and entertainment options are significantly less? Just thinking about myself... If our kids could not be in soccer, baseball, community theater and such... And if I could not have a friendly relationship with other ministers in the community, never watch a video, stay away from online communities and forums I think I would pretty much be starved for fellowship and social life as well.
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02-06-2011, 12:32 PM
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Re: The State of the UPC
My opinion is:
Young men are passionate and zealous and are attracted to more extreme stances - one way or the other. They are put off by waffling and inconsistency.
I do not believe that young men are in any way put off by the idea of rules or standards. It's the inconsistent application one way or the other that will put them off. So some will find groups that are more consistent conservatively speaking, and some will find groups that are more consistent liberally speaking. And they will be all or nothing.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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02-06-2011, 12:44 PM
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Re: The State of the UPC
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Originally Posted by Coonskinner
Wow.
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Yeah. Please, don't take my comments to mean fewer are serving the Lord because of the other involvement. Only meant that it explains the better attendance at more conservative gatherings.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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02-06-2011, 01:02 PM
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Not riding the train
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Re: The State of the UPC
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
My opinion is:
Young men are passionate and zealous and are attracted to more extreme stances - one way or the other. They are put off by waffling and inconsistency.
I do not believe that young men are in any way put off by the idea of rules or standards. It's the inconsistent application one way or the other that will put them off. So some will find groups that are more consistent conservatively speaking, and some will find groups that are more consistent liberally speaking. And they will be all or nothing.
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Excellent, Abi!!! I totally agree! 
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02-06-2011, 01:16 PM
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paladin for truth
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Re: The State of the UPC
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
My opinion is:
Young men are passionate and zealous and are attracted to more extreme stances - one way or the other. They are put off by waffling and inconsistency.
I do not believe that young men are in any way put off by the idea of rules or standards. It's the inconsistent application one way or the other that will put them off. So some will find groups that are more consistent conservatively speaking, and some will find groups that are more consistent liberally speaking. And they will be all or nothing.
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Except for the generalization about being zealously prone to "extreme stances," it sounds like the Flynn Effect!
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02-06-2011, 01:56 PM
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Re: The State of the UPC
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Originally Posted by Coonskinner
What do you attribute that higher percentage to?
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I hate to say it, but I attribute it to passion and hunger for God.
This is not a blanket statement, but overall the level of spirituality in the WPF is higher than the UPCI, in my opinion.
There are good and bad in both fellowships, but the UPCI currently has more politics involved than the WPF.
I am hopeful that DB will bring the UPCI to a higher level.
All of this is my opinion, and you can find exceptions on both sides.
I attend most meetings of both, as do my sons, so I think I have a little bit of a pulse on both.
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02-06-2011, 02:00 PM
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Not riding the train
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Re: The State of the UPC
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Originally Posted by noeticknight
Except for the generalization about being zealously prone to "extreme stances," it sounds like the Flynn Effect!
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Don't you agree that when we "throw" our total lives into something it generally involves our passion and zeal?
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02-06-2011, 02:03 PM
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paladin for truth
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Re: The State of the UPC
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Originally Posted by aegsm76
I hate to say it, but I attribute it to passion and hunger for God.
This is not a blanket statement, but overall the level of spirituality in the WPF is higher than the UPCI, in my opinion.
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I completely agree.
(Of course, we are talking of the same WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation)?
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02-06-2011, 02:15 PM
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paladin for truth
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Re: The State of the UPC
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
Don't you agree that when we "throw" our total lives into something it generally involves our passion and zeal?
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Hi P-O!!
To answer your question, yes, "thowing our lives into something" can most commonly be attributed to passion and zeal. However, I would not equate that passion or zeal with a tendency for "extreme stances." One can be just as passionate or zealous for positions of moderation and balance.
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02-06-2011, 02:26 PM
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Supercalifragilisticexpiali...
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Re: The State of the UPC
I know what you mean PO.
While we were filming for the TV show my wife had a serious what for moment with the producers... "You told us you would not pursue things we refrain from due to religious beliefs etc."
They replied, "Well, yes we did, but it has become apparent your beliefs effect every area of your life!"
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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