I believe they should keep their spiritual counsel confidential. It's a political opinion of a politician. He's just trying to secure the gay vote. Saying that these men should have to step forward and say anything because Obama did is just witch hunting. I'm sure Jim Wallis supports gay marriage. I'm not convinced T.D. Jakes does. I'm sure if they did step forward we'd see different opinions for many different reasons.
Think about it... they are providing spiritual counsel to a sitting President. If they are smart and take their calling seriously, they'll remain servants, acting with confidentiality. Their job isn't to harm the President, put him on the spot, or make him look stupid (Obama can do this on his own). These men are there for personal spiritual counsel to a sitting President.
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People seem to forget that President Bush supported Civil Unions.
I believe they should keep their spiritual counsel confidential. It's a political opinion of a politician. He's just trying to secure the gay vote. Saying that these men should have to step forward and say anything because Obama did is just witch hunting. I'm sure Jim Wallis supports gay marriage. I'm not convinced T.D. Jakes does. I'm sure if they did step forward we'd see different opinions for many different reasons.
Think about it... they are providing spiritual counsel to a sitting President. If they are smart and take their calling seriously, they'll remain servants, acting with confidentiality. Their job isn't to harm the President, put him on the spot, or make him look stupid (Obama can do this on his own). These men are there for personal spiritual counsel to a sitting President.
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People seem to forget that President Bush supported Civil Unions.
Using the principles of Matthew 18, if the man is under the spiritual counsel, and he decides to rebel and go a different direction, yet still wants to call them his spiritual advisors, they are to publicly denounce his decision to go a different direction.
Matthew 18 talks about someone caught in a fault. And going to them privately is the first steps. But when they still will not listen, but want to call themselves part of the body of believers, they are to be publicly called out and treated as the heathen and the publican. That's just Bible.
I know there are other ministers that should also make a public statement since they are also advisors, but to my knowledge, Jakes is the only Pentecostal one.... and the only one that has such a realm of influence on the modern day Black Pentecostal church. His position dictates that he make a statement in my opinion... and the Word of God dictates that since his counsel was rejected.... that He make a public stand.
Using the principles of Matthew 18, if the man is under the spiritual counsel, and he decides to rebel and go a different direction, yet still wants to call them his spiritual advisors, they are to publicly denounce his decision to go a different direction.
Rebel? The Fourteenth Amendment ties the hands of any serious student of the Constitution. I’m sure Obama believes American citizens are free to be Buddhists, Wiccans, Satanists, and even Atheists. Every President has the challenge of keeping this republic united. That means bringing together various sections of society that disagree and attempting to lead in a balanced manner that is fair and just to all. Given the Constitution of the United States and its spirit of liberty, given the equal representation under the law clause in the 14th Amendment, I’d say that the President is acting legally and in accordance to our nation’s principles. This isn’t a theocracy. It’s a free republic. For this reason even President Bush supported Civil Unions. Men must be free in our country. While yes, that freedom allows many to sin… freedom itself is holy and sacred.
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Matthew 18 talks about someone caught in a fault. And going to them privately is the first steps. But when they still will not listen, but want to call themselves part of the body of believers, they are to be publicly called out and treated as the heathen and the publican. That's just Bible.
Obama didn’t marry another man. Obama just voiced a “political” position he’s arrived at. First, he’s weighed balancing individual liberties on the matter. Second, he wants to get the liberal vote this November. Again, Obama’s task isn’t to lead our nation in righteousness according to a given interpretation of the Bible. Obama’s role is to be our Chief Executive Officer, executing his roles and duties in accordance to the powers granted him under the Constitution of the United States. For example, Obama cannot voice that he supports banning the Satanic Bible. While this would be a moral and righteous thing to do… it’s beyond his power to do so. Our Constitution grants religious liberty to even Satanists… not to mention freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Obama’s spiritual advisors are to best serving us by keeping him within the boundaries set by the Constitution. Not be advising him to be divisive or to challenge time honored principles of human liberty.
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I know there are other ministers that should also make a public statement since they are also advisors, but to my knowledge, Jakes is the only Pentecostal one.... and the only one that has such a realm of influence on the modern day Black Pentecostal church. His position dictates that he make a statement in my opinion... and the Word of God dictates that since his counsel was rejected.... that He make a public stand.
I think… somebody just wants to see a nationally popular black minister come out publically and denounce Obama’s position… not for righteousness sake. But for political gain. Because such an action could weaken Obama in the election. This is just another example of dark forces attempting to use politics to destroy a man. How do we know that Jakes didn’t tell the President what the Bible said privately? How do we know that Jakes isn’t already talking to the President about recovering moral ground on the issue? There are many things involved here.
This is all just a political witch hunt.
Political? I'm not voting for Obama or the Mormon.... I'm voting for the Constitution Party candidate.
You're the one who brings up the principles of Spiritual Counsel, and when I shoot holes in your argument you jump off into Obama holding up the constitution.... I was just following through your original premise to the appropriate end....
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