Something I watched today

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Did you post this in the wrong thread?

I disagree with Boyd on many things like evolution, the trinity, the baptism of the holy Spirit and the doctrine of subsequence, Pacifism, but there are other things that I agree with wholeheartedly...and I rarely if ever hear preachers preach the way he does on love, the kingdom of God, love, relationships, Jesus...etc

Here's a 'manifesto' of his beliefs that he holds strongly to: http://reknew.org/about/

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

"Against the long-standing patriarchal mindset of the church tradition, ReKnew is passionate about encouraging husbands and wives to assume an egalitarian mindset in their marriages in which they “submit to one another out of reverence for Christ” (Eph 5:21). We are convinced that the several instructions on wives needing to submit to husbands (and even to call them “lord” (1 Pet 3:6!) reflect fallen aspects of first century culture that God had to temporarily accommodate, along the lines of the instructions for slaves to submit to masters (I Pet 2:8). For the same reason we are passionate about encouraging women to pursue whatever ministry God has gifted them for and called them too."

In other words, whatever in the Bible runs counter to socialist humanist 'public policy' trends is just a temporary accomodation to 'fallen aspects of first century culture'.

You watch. Greg Boyd will come out in favor of gays. It's just a matter of time. Either him, or his immediate successors.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Esaias

"Against the long-standing patriarchal mindset of the church tradition, ReKnew is passionate about encouraging husbands and wives to assume an egalitarian mindset in their marriages in which they “submit to one another out of reverence for Christ” (Eph 5:21). We are convinced that the several instructions on wives needing to submit to husbands (and even to call them “lord” (1 Pet 3:6!) reflect fallen aspects of first century culture that God had to temporarily accommodate, along the lines of the instructions for slaves to submit to masters (I Pet 2:8). For the same reason we are passionate about encouraging women to pursue whatever ministry God has gifted them for and called them too."

In other words, whatever in the Bible runs counter to socialist humanist 'public policy' trends is just a temporary accomodation to 'fallen aspects of first century culture'.

You watch. Greg Boyd will come out in favor of gays. It's just a matter of time. Either him, or his immediate successors.

Do you mean that eventually he will say that homosexuality is not a sin?

He is not an complementarian but an egalitarian when it comes to the place of the woman and man in the church and in marriage. You're drawing conclusions that are not there or anywhere.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Whatever...be dismissive. It's your loss.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Whatever...be dismissive. It's your loss.

I wasn't being dismissive. The emoticon is reading, which is what I did, I read the page you linked to.

And I am now convinced Boyd is a "change agent" working (perhaps unwittingly) to undermine the faith. Previously I just thought he was an ex-UPCer with some views challenging the classical (Greek) view of God's nature.

Now I see he has a much larger "mission".

[FlamingZword]

Boyd is a confused person, I would not put much stock on anything he says.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Boyd is a confused person, I would not put much stock on anything he says.

What do you base these judgments on?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

What do you base these judgments on?

I have read some of the garbage he spouts, plenty of hate for Apostolic beliefs.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

I have read some of the garbage he spouts, plenty of hate for Apostolic beliefs.

could you elaborate with a quote or two? Ty.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

could you elaborate with a quote or two? Ty.

He wrote an entire book about us, claiming he had once been one of us, then 'saw the light'. His book recites all the standard arguments, so it actually looks like he just discovered he couldn't make money being on the outside of the mainstream, at least until he got some name recognition, so he wrote a book about how we are a cult, and the trinity (and standard Arminian Baptist soteriology) is correct, got some traction, then started going off into 'other' areas. Almost like he was working a marketing strategy...