**NORTH DAKOTA** Have you heard???????@@@@

[Thad]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

I am not called to Pastor a church.

I've been hearing in this thread how the churches are small. Perhaps they need to go in and make an impact on their cities and states in North Dakota. Maybe a shake-up in that district is really what is needed.

what kind of a shake up ?? you mean what's happening now ?
how can most of the churches leaving benefit ?

[Thad]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

Interesting that when the SoCal District did it for geopgraphical reasons it was not accepted as a valid excuse by some.

Elect a new DS....unless the men are followers.

now that is an interesting point- didn't think of that !

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by pentecostisalive

The men in that District are good men and are trying their best to start new churches. Bro. Walters has done much of the work by himself and has establish more than one church. Few can say that in the entire fellowship.

I am sure they are great men.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by pentecostisalive

By the way, I speak from experience as I spent 10 years of my life, in Saskatchewan as my father started a HM church. Saskatchewan is the same situation as ND with few churches.

Many want to criticize, but few are willing to help. There are greener pastures for most.

It's probably best to send in men to get things started and then let the natives plant churches.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by pentecostisalive

The men in that District are good men and are trying their best to start new churches. Bro. Walters has done much of the work by himself and has establish more than one church. Few can say that in the entire fellowship.

wonder if any rec'd help from the home missions dept.

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Thad

what kind of a shake up ?? you mean what's happening now ?
how can most of the churches leaving benefit ?

In talking about a shake-up....I am reading in this thread that the churches are small. Maybe they need someone to go in there and revitalize and energize them. Maybe they have had the stigma of "second class" long enough....maybe they need to start thinking of themselves as "first class" and reach out and get in their community.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

In talking about a shake-up....I am reading in this thread that the churches are small. Maybe they need someone to go in there and revitalize and energize them. Maybe they have had the stigma of "second class" long enough....maybe they need to start thinking of themselves as "first class" and reach out and get in their community.

Pentecostalive ???? any thoughts ?

[Pragmatist]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

In talking about a shake-up....I am reading in this thread that the churches are small. Maybe they need someone to go in there and revitalize and energize them. Maybe they have had the stigma of "second class" long enough....maybe they need to start thinking of themselves as "first class" and reach out and get in their community.

If you haven't lived there, you really can't understand. It's a different mindset and it's very difficult to start a church.

And let me know how many volunteer to "go in there and revitalize and energize them" and if you find someone, see how long they stay.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Pragmatist

If you haven't lived there, you really can't understand. It's a different mindset and it's very difficult to start a church.

And let me know how many volunteer to "go in there and revitalize and energize them" and if you find someone, see how long they stay.

Aren't they mostly of German desent? I heard that most are luthern and very traditional.

The other ethnic group is native american indians and they live on reservations.

No offense taken but i could NEVER Live there- I truely commend anyone who does.

[Bullwinkle]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

In talking about a shake-up....I am reading in this thread that the churches are small. Maybe they need someone to go in there and revitalize and energize them. Maybe they have had the stigma of "second class" long enough....maybe they need to start thinking of themselves as "first class" and reach out and get in their community.

Congratulations, you have just become the second recipient of the Bullwinkle award. Your naivete and lack of understanding of kingdom work outside of the large church makes you an obvious choice.

Pull up stakes, move to North Dakota and start a church.....chuckle, chortle, snort. Thems that cans, does. Thems that can't......