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View Poll Results: Do you believe and/or teach that standards are heaven or hell issues?
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Absolutely. I believe and teach that standards are heaven or hell issues.
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I believe that standards should be followed, but they do not necessarily affect salvation.
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I do not believe standards are salvational, but I teach them in compliance with the organization.
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I do not believe or teach that standards are salvational.
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36.84% |
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I teach that standards are matters of consecration, but are not salvational.
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I don't know.
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04-17-2007, 05:50 PM
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Do You Believe and/or Teach that Standards are Heaven-Hell Issues?
Okay, apparently I am naive about this issue, so I'm taking a poll. Please only answer the poll if you are a licensed UPCI minister. (It's open so that can be verified, if need be.)
It has always been my understanding that standards and rules and guidelines were not heaven or hell issues, but rather preferences, protective measures, boundaries, or issues of personal consecration. I was not aware that a large majority of the UPCI ministerial constituency taught these things as heaven/hell issues or salvational issues.
I guess I've been in the dark all these years. So enlighten me.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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04-17-2007, 05:52 PM
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Do You Believe and/or Teach that Standards are Heaven-Hell Issues?
No and no
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04-17-2007, 05:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronzo
Do You Believe and/or Teach that Standards are Heaven-Hell Issues?
No and no
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 Heathen.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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04-17-2007, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Heathen. |
You're just now figuring that out? 
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04-17-2007, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronzo
You're just now figuring that out? |
No! Now THIS heathen is going to go watch American Idol. 
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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04-17-2007, 05:55 PM
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My Family!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Heathen. |
I didn't see that option!
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04-17-2007, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
No! Now THIS heathen is going to go watch American Idol. |
I hate AI, sath Ronzo.
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04-17-2007, 07:34 PM
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Registered User
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I am not a preacher, but I have been preached to...
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04-17-2007, 07:51 PM
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the ultracon
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We teach that "standards" are not scriptural as we have been told they are.
We of course then do not think that they would be salvational.....that's just silly.
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04-17-2007, 09:28 PM
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Did anyone find my keys
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Side of the road throwing bricks
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I voted "I do not believe standards are salvational, but I teach them in compliance with the organization. "
I live in constant fear that if I do not toe the UPC line I will be thrown out and then I would go to hell.
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