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Old 01-21-2019, 09:33 PM
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Re: All trinatarians are lost!

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I am not aware of any verses that teach that a rigorously accurate understanding of a doctrine is a prerequisite for salvation. I see several verses that command a course of action or to believe and confess something, but not if you don't understand precisely how all these things are so, you are lost. Perhaps you could provide some of those.
If a person's baptism is valid in spite of an erroneous view of what baptism is, what it is for, etc, then how is that not the same as sacramentalism (the idea that baptism is valid by virtue of baptism, and without regard to the individual's understanding, faith, intention, etc)?

What must be believed in order to make baptism valid?

Nobody here is claiming that a person is lost without a complete, deep, thorough, apologetics-level understanding of every single truth taught in Scripture. Everyone here (hopefully) knows and understands being a Christian means being a disciple, which means student, which means learner, and therefore we are to always be improving in our understanding of truth. And therefore that people are at different levels, and moving at different speeds.

But that was never the issue.


The issue, the question, is "Where do the Scriptures teach the line is?" How much ignorance, how much error, is acceptable? When does ignorance threaten your destiny? Or does it at all?

We talk a lot about faith vs understanding. But does not faith require and presuppose a certain amount of understanding? Can a person genuinely believe something about which they have no knowledge or understanding? And again, WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT THIS QUESTION?
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Re: All trinatarians are lost!

Also, why is it that whenever I ask "Where does the Bible say what you just said?" the responses almost never include citations of Bible verses that the poster believes are saying what they were originally saying?
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