Thoughts on Satmar Judaism and Zionism

[Evang.Benincasa]

I ask a favor of you. Please listen to this discussion between these two women. Listen carefully to what is being said by both. While some Pentecostals believe they know what Judaism believes, they actually don't. Just like any religion, whether Christianity, Islam, Judaism, there are many thoughts and views. With the situation of Pentecostalism and Zionism, we tend to believe that all Jews are lock step on Zionism. Which we couldn't be further from the truth. The teachings the Satmar Rebbe, Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum, didn't believe that Zionism was a benefit to the Jewish people. In this discussion many interesting thoughts are brought up. Please listen carefully to what is being discussed.

https://youtu.be/NXpO0THnx3g?si=x-amtzYgGxkIC01_

[Tithesmeister]

Well worth watching. That’s a lot to unpack but a lot of truth. Anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism is two vastly different things. Also the recycled souls point of view is interesting.

Thanks for sharing.

[Amanah]

Pearl's view:
-Jews can't take Israel back with their own power but must wait for the Messiah and the resurrection
-when Messiah comes he will give us a perfect world
-Zionism is rebellion against Hashem (Torah)
-Zionism is causing antisemitism
-Jews are to be a holy nation separate from the Goyim (nations)
-Zionism promotes assimilation which is rebellion against Torah

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Pearl's view:
-Jews can't take Israel back with their own power but must wait for the Messiah and the resurrection
-when Messiah comes he will give us a perfect world
-Zionism is rebellion against Hashem (Torah)
-Zionism is causing antisemitism

Not to be too technical but I agree with all of your points but the last one. Antisemitism is not a result of Zionism. It is the result of sin of which Zionism is a part.

Otherwise, yes.

And it seems to make sense to me what she said.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Not to be too technical but I agree with all of your points but the last one. Antisemitism is not a result of Zionism. It is the result of sin of which Zionism is a part.

Otherwise, yea.

I was explaining Pearl's views.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Not to be too technical but I agree with all of your points but the last one. Antisemitism is not a result of Zionism. It is the result of sin of which Zionism is a part.

Otherwise, yes.

And it seems to make sense to me what she said.

Define "antisemitism", identify the sin which it is the result of, and explain "of what" Zionism is a part (Zionism is a part of what?), please.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Pearl's view:
-Jews can't take Israel back with their own power but must wait for the Messiah and the resurrection
-when Messiah comes he will give us a perfect world
-Zionism is rebellion against Hashem (Torah)
-Zionism is causing antisemitism
-Jews are to be a holy nation separate from the Goyim (nations)
-Zionism promotes assimilation which is rebellion against Torah

What stood out to me is that her understanding of freewill and how God takes those choices. That Zionism creating a country in the Middle East escalates a problem. That problem therefore effects all Jews whether they like it or not. She also brought up that the Satmar Rebbe understood the problem Zionism and the country of Israel would present to not only Jews, but his own group.
Thank you Sister for listening to the discussion and giving me your input. Greatly appreciated.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Not to be too technical but I agree with all of your points but the last one. Antisemitism is not a result of Zionism. It is the result of sin of which Zionism is a part.

Otherwise, yes.

And it seems to make sense to me what she said.

What Pearl is saying (in my opinion) is representing Satmar Rebbe's view. Zionism causes Antisemitism towards all Jews through misrepresenting Jews as a whole. In the same way that Jim Jones, Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart misrepresent all ministers to those who don't understand. Judaism is a religion, Zionism is a political movement which states Jews can be Jews without a focus on God, and the 613 law observances. Therefore when Zionism behaves like Goyem, conduct war like goyem, they open themselves to harsh criticisms from the rest of the nations.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I was explaining Pearl's views.

Thank you

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Define "antisemitism", identify the sin which it is the result of, and explain "of what" Zionism is a part (Zionism is a part of what?), please.

Tithemister, I am eager to hear your explanation as well. Could you please explaining your thoughts?