Dr. Gerald Jeffers

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by ApostolicRob

It also looks from your post that it seems that you are doing a lot of bashing about a man that you have never meet or witnessed anything from? If you are claiming that you are receiving information from a preacher as you say. What kind of man of God is that who is spreading gossip about others. If someone is making a claim that they received something in council (which you never heard) and is telling everyone then how do you know their not blaming what happen in their family on someone else. Just a word of advice I would watch what I say about God's chosen when you never personally heard that person(Dr Jeffers) say what you are claiming. You don't want to be one of those people who talk bad about the prophets cause history through out the bible tells us it never worked out for anyone who has. My advice is if you don't know first hand don't say it or lead others to believe cause you are just being a stumbling block for your brothers.

Thanks for the advice, however, I do know from first hand.

[ApostolicRob]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

You were the one to say something about "two or three witnesses" then Renda offered you some names and now your saying that those witnesses don't count because they're essentially biases (and not allowed to speak against the ministry anyways, thus by that logic the ministry will NEVER have any witnesses to wrong doing).

I don't have a bone in this fight and don't even know who Gerald Jeffers is but just noting the inconsistency.

There is plenty of wrong doing in the ministry we are humans. And that is going to happen but to bad mouth people on things you have not heard yourself. I never said I wouldn't except the two or three witnesses if you have them I would love to see them. But providing someones contact information is not a witness. Plus there was witness against Jesus as well so to say that people storys can be somewhat un-true does also happen

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by houston

watch out, renda. a bear is gna eat you!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by ApostolicRob

There is plenty of wrong doing in the ministry we are humans. And that is going to happen but to bad mouth people on things you have not heard yourself. I never said I wouldn't except the two or three witnesses if you have them I would love to see them. But providing someones contact information is not a witness. Plus there was witness against Jesus as well so to say that people storys can be somewhat un-true does also happen

Huh? Providing contact info of the witnesses isn't good enough?

It's okay - I understand what you are trying to say, but fact is fact and I know some facts and you don't.

[ApostolicRob]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Thanks for the advice, however, I do know from first hand.

Okay well Im not going to fight with anyone on this. This is Gods fight not mine we all know his word and if you want to keep bashing his anointed regardless of the mistakes you claim him to have made that up to you. He is a man of God and a Prophet so that is on your head because "life and death is in the tongue" hope you have a great day and hopefully I am not casting pearls among swine.

Bless

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by ApostolicRob

Okay well Im not going to fight with anyone on this. This is Gods fight not mine we all know his word and if you want to keep bashing his anointed regardless of the mistakes you claim him to have made that up to you. He is a man of God and a Prophet so that is on your head because "life and death is in the tongue" hope you have a great day and hopefully I am not casting pearls among swine.

Bless

Canned answer...typical Apostolic answer. Instead of saying, "You know...my experience is different than what I have read, but I cannot speak to what I haven't seen." That is a political answer, fine enough, but yours is a canned pentecostal answer when someone brings up a topic, issue or a verse that ya cannot explain away. I am sure Dr. Jeffers is a decent man, but decent men have done and said goofy things...like he has done.

[AncientPaths]

Originally Posted by ApostolicRob

Okay well Im not going to fight with anyone on this. This is Gods fight not mine we all know his word and if you want to keep bashing his anointed regardless of the mistakes you claim him to have made that up to you. He is a man of God and a Prophet so that is on your head because "life and death is in the tongue" hope you have a great day and hopefully I am not casting pearls among swine.

Bless

So as a close personal friend, are you really in a position to be objective?

Also - and I'm not saying this about him specifically as I don't know him - the advent of internet forums and YouTube bring things to light that might otherwise go unchecked. Making comments and stating opinions based on publicly available information is not always bashing. Sometimes it's about a community of believers protecting itself.

And the "touch not mine annointed" card has been played way too many times by way too many wackos. It's like a protection clause for false teachers.

Plus - we trust Renda

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by AncientPaths

So as a close personal friend, are you really in a position to be objective?

Also - and I'm not saying this about him specifically as I don't know him - the advent of internet forums and YouTube bring things to light that might otherwise go unchecked. Making comments and stating opinions based on publicly available information is not always bashing. Sometimes it's about a community of believers protecting itself.

And the "touch not mine annointed" card has been played way too many times by way too many wackos. It's like a protection clause for false teachers.

Plus - we trust Renda

Thanks AP!

[Charnock]

Originally Posted by ApostolicRob

Okay well Im not going to fight with anyone on this. This is Gods fight not mine we all know his word and if you want to keep bashing his anointed regardless of the mistakes you claim him to have made that up to you. He is a man of God and a Prophet so that is on your head because "life and death is in the tongue" hope you have a great day and hopefully I am not casting pearls among swine.

Bless

Interpretation?

Renda, you're a pig and God's gonna get ya!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by AncientPaths

So as a close personal friend, are you really in a position to be objective?

Also - and I'm not saying this about him specifically as I don't know him - the advent of internet forums and YouTube bring things to light that might otherwise go unchecked. Making comments and stating opinions based on publicly available information is not always bashing. Sometimes it's about a community of believers protecting itself.

And the "touch not mine annointed" card has been played way too many times by way too many wackos. It's like a protection clause for false teachers.

Plus - we trust Renda

Ditto