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I've never had a thief break into my home before, I still lock my doors at night. Do you? Is that fear and paranoia, or is it just being cautious?
I've never had a house or apartment catch on fire, yet I still pay for insurance. How about you? Do you have insurance on your home? Have you ever needed it? Then by your own logic, you're living in fear and paranoia by paying for something that you don't need.
Just because something hasn't happened, doesn't mean it can't happen.
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Being cautious? No, it is being led by the nose of the media. Look, if you weren't so plugged into the mainstream media this would never have crossed your mind. Think about it. As you were growing up on and under a Pentecostal pew. You never heard as much as boo devil boo about gun threats to the church. From revivals, camp meetings, to dinner on the grounds. No one thought about being gunned down at church. Did your pastor as you were growing up in youth camps, in revivals, to Sunday and Midweek services ever talk about the threat of an assailant coming into the church, therefore we needed to be prepared? NO. But since you are being played by media, mainstream, and social, you feel that you need to protect OTHERS. I hope the prayer at church is still hotter than a lead round.
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Well, thank God that hasn't happened, then.
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How about thanking Jesus that it never will? How about thanking Jesus that He has place a hedge of protection around the church family, and your loved ones? I have heard testimonies on old saints of God having situations happen while they were home alone. One old sister gave me a testimony how they broke into her house while she was sleeping. She walked out of her room to find two young men in her kitchen. They both were armed. She said that they left open her front door that they broke in through. All she said is Jesus help me. She then said that a big angry dog flew through the open door. Attacking the two men. They ran out of the house screaming with the dog running after them in pursuit. I will also add that this old mother had a prayer life and sanctification which was to be admired. A two sister in Colombia were witnessing to people in a village. This was Colombia in the 1950s. The Apostolic Pentecostal movement was frowned upon by the heavy Roman Catholic element during that time. These two sisters were cutting across the farmer's field. The farmer knew that they were Pentecostals so he let his bull out after them. The animal charged them and the bull ran right up to them and stopped dead in its tracks. After the sister screamed JESUS NAME! Well actually, En el nombre de Jesús!!!! Then the farmer let loose his dogs they took off like a shot barking and running right towards the two sisters. But they prayed and the animals ran right by them. off into the distance. I had testimonies of guerillas coming into a little church family. But the pastor just asked the church family to get down on their knees and pray. Worked for them. But as the three Hebrew children said, "O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter. If that is the case, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and He will deliver us from your hand, O king. But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up." Jesus is able to deliver, but if He chooses not, then I could have a GE 134, a line up of gunpowder eating pitbulls, and pack a punch like Mike Tyson in his prime, and I'll still get killed, and save no one. Desmond Doss wouldn't of had a gun in any of His Sabbath services. His pastor, and elders would of not of asked the brethren to come armed to a Sabbath service. No, Desmond Doss (not a Pentecostal bone in his body) trusted, prayed, and sought God to rescue 75 wounded soldiers. Desmond Doss carried them down ropes down the face of the Maeda Escarpment, also known as Hacksaw Ridge. During the battle of Okinawa. All while bullets were being fired at him. He enlisted, and went into one of the worst battles. Only armed with his faith in a the God of Meshach, Shadrach, and Abednego.
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You seem to be fixated on this notion that we're living in fear. We are not. Preparedness is not fear.
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Bro, it's the media who is making you do this. It's the media who you are defending. Like I said before, since day one in the church, you didn't even have any of this foolishness cross your mind. I heard a testimony, from an individual who went into a little church in Mexico. He went in with a gun to rob the preacher of the offerings. He knew that the old brother was in there late into the night. So, after he got pretty drunk, at the cafe, he walked down the road to the little church. the door was open. He went in, and the old preacher was on his knees praying in tongues. The man saw that the preacher didn't even know he was there. Even when he called out to the preacher loudly, the preacher just kept praying. All of a sudden, he felt a presence all around him. He started to have thoughts of his mother and father. His life, in and out of trouble. He looked down at the pastor. Still praying, still speaking in tongues. He started to weep, and knelt right next to the pastor. The pastor placed his arm around the individual, and started weeping while speaking in tongues. The man couldn't control himself as a wave of emotions flooded over him. He started calling on Jesus to help him change his life. The man and the pastor both together in prayer.
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Using our firearms would be the very last resort, not the first. And I'm sure you well know and understand that, you just think you're being funny trying to push my buttons. All you're doing is presenting yourself as ignorant.
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Hmm, firearms and easily pushed buttons are a bad combo. But Guns are the last option after what has failed? I mean, think about it? What failed first that a weapon become the last resort?
2 Chronicles 20:15-24. The Lord told them to stand still and He would save them. the king fought the battle on his face (probably in a puddle of snot, and tears) God made the enemy kill each other. So that when Judah showed up there was a field filled with dead. Worshipping on one's face to the ground, standing and singing and praises with loud voices. That's what we do first, and like target practice, or training on how to deal with a crisis situation in a crowd of women, children, and visitors. We train as well. in prayer, on our face in thanksgiving to Christ, and strong singing and dancing before the Lord. So in the day of tribulation we are able to stand in the winds that blow.
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Yes, we have shouting and dancing and even the odd running of the aisles here.
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Good work, keep it up.
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No, not a red herring. That's the entire point of being armed, to protect OTHERS. It's not about saving our own lives, it's about being able to protect the lives of those around us.
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Brother, even a lifeguard's first job is to stay alive. You can't save OTHERS if you have a 9mm round through your eye socket. You know. I knew an old couple (who are no longer with us) who use to pray even before they got in their car. They both lived through some tough times in Guatemala. That little frail couple wouldn't of done well carrying a firearm. They certainly couldn't have armed guards around them 24/7. Simple sweet people. She prayed, all the time. He would kneel in the pew praying and weeping. Who was going to protect them? Who will protect any saint of God during day to day life, while they are not a the First Bunker of Pentecost?
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You are right that it's a possibility, but you're also making an assumption that we don't train at all. Anyone who carries a firearm should train to be proficient with it.
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Bro, I'm not talking about shooting at a target. I'm talking about bad guys coming in to light up everyone in the church. That's what this is about? Correct? Not the video of standing shooter and guy from the back of the room popping a cap into the assailant. Training is how to deal with a crisis where shots are being fired into the crowd. A crowd with your wife, and kids in it.
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Indeed. Every day I carry, and every day I pray that I will never need to use it.
Maybe you're confused because you don't know what shooting I was referring to. I'll post a video that breaks down the entire scenario for you. It was in White Settlement, Texas last year. Unfortunately, YT flagged the video so you have to be signed in to watch it. I'll post a second video that addresses it, as well.
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Bro, I saw the video when it was fresh out of the oven. Old boy who caught the slug in the chest because he stood up. Allowing the shooter to know he was going to fire on him. Which as the narrator tells the audience that dude had zero time. But, he had no training for what he was about to commit himself to doing. The guy in the back of the room was the guy who made the shot over the heads of MeeMaw, PeePaw, and Aunt Bitty Jean. Bro, Myself and others have their doubts about the whole video from jump street. But be that as it may. Covid came along and put the people at home to watch their favorite church on the internet. Where they no longer had to worry about guys with shotguns in hoodies. Needless to say, no one was trained to deal with what they had to deal with. As the narrator pointed out. With a church filled with a bunch of dudes with guns in the pews. Could of been a whole lot worse. If holmes would of brought his Ruger Mini-14 with foldable stock removed, customized, and full auto. It would of been a whole different situation. A thousand scenarios we can build with even multiple shooters. The possibilities are horribly never ending.
But you keep praying that you never have to shoot over your huddled screaming family, from within the pew. The Lord Jesus Christ forbid such a horror show. I'll keep you and yours in my prayers. Stay safe and stay in prayer in Jesus name.