"Just War" - Has There Been One?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Within the last 2,000 years, has there ever been a "Just War"?

I believe the American Revolution was a "Just War." IMO, it is also the only "Just War" in which America has fought.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I believe America's participation in WWII was justified.

The first Iraq War was justified.

Our recent actions in Afghanistan were justified.

Going back further in time, one could make the argument that the Crusades were justified.

Many of the wars from a long time ago were simply about kingdom expansion. It's kind of difficult to justify those wars.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I believe America's participation in WWII was justified.
The first Iraq War was justified.
Our recent actions in Afghanistan were justified.
Going back further in time, one could make the argument that the Crusades were justified.
Many of the wars from a long time ago were simply about kingdom expansion. It's kind of difficult to justify those wars.

So is the "economic war" being waged on American civilians (and the world) a
JUST WAR?

Regime puppets do not believe in unrighteous governments.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

So is the "economic war" being waged on American civilians (and the world) a
JUST WAR?

Will you elaborate on the "Economic War" you speak of?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I believe America's participation in WWII was justified.

It's debatable. The US allowed Great Britain to be bombed for over 2 years, and allowed Germany to kill millions of Jews before finally getting involved. Some have even claimed here that the US provoked Japan to attack Pearl Harbor in order to declare war.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The first Iraq War was justified.

I disagree.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Our recent actions in Afghanistan were justified.

Again, will disagree.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Going back further in time, one could make the argument that the Crusades were justified.

Depending on which version of the Crusades one reads, it's either justified or unjustified.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Many of the wars from a long time ago were simply about kingdom expansion. It's kind of difficult to justify those wars.

Most wars are about empire and expanding the footprint of an empire.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

Most wars are about empire and expanding the footprint of an empire.

WWII, The First Iraq War and Afghanistan were not about expanding America's footprint. What makes you say these wars were unjust?

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Will you elaborate on the "Economic War" you speak of?

Judging by your posts, you are neither illiterate or ignorant.
Therefore, you don't need elaboration: just admit that there is no righteous government today.

[shazeep]

as hard as it is to believe, most Americans are completely in the dark on the economic war they are a part of.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Judging by your posts, you are neither illiterate or ignorant.
Therefore, you don't need elaboration: just admit that there is no righteous government today.

Thank you for the compliments! I needed the ego boost.

Now let's talk about the Economic War you alluded.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

WWII, The First Iraq War and Afghanistan were not about expanding America's footprint. What makes you say these wars were unjust?

I agree that WWII was not about expanding America's footprint, although its result did exactly that. My caution at saying it was a just war is due to the US remaining a casual observer until Pearl Harbor, and the use of nuclear bombs against two Japanese cities. Would the US had gone to war if Japan hadn't attacked Pearl Harbor? Would the US have continued to stand by while Jews were being slaughtered by the Nazi's?

The Gulf War, or First Iraq War, also wasn't intended to expand our footprint, but did result in its expansion. Was it a "Just" war? IMO, no. The lead-up to the Gulf War is an interesting read.

IMO, Afghanistan was about expanding America's footprint, as was the second Iraq war. One of the key parts of the Bush Doctrine was to replace hostile dictatorships with democratic governments. Doing so was key to expanding the economic and political influence of the US.