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09-05-2008, 05:38 AM
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New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentance
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Okay, prosecutor. I'll be even more to the point, if that is possible.
When we first come to the Lord our sins are not forgiven at repentance. They are forgiven at baptism through a work of the Spirit and the blood of Christ.
Any sins we may commit after our new birth are forgiven at repentance when the blood of Christ, once again, washes away our sins. We don't need to be rebaptized every time we sin after our initial baptism in Jesus name.
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Sniff ... sniff ... sniff ...
FALSE DOCTRINE ALERT!!!!
You stand with the Roman church on that one, Mizzy ...
Not even Bernard or most of the 3 step crowd has gone that haywire.
Do you agree w/ Mizpeh in her new-fangled 3 step doctrine that our sins are not forgiven at repentance?
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09-05-2008, 05:41 AM
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
Daniel,
Don't be so hard on "M". Truth is many of our Apostolic friends do not know the scriptures or how to defend their belief system.
*hugs*
Rhoni
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09-05-2008, 07:48 AM
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by Rhoni
Daniel,
Don't be so hard on "M". Truth is many of our Apostolic friends do not know the scriptures or how to defend their belief system.
*hugs*
Rhoni
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Rhoni, don't assume I don't know what I'm talking about or was indoctrinated into this belief. I searched it out after I was taught it and I believe it is what the Bible teaches. Dan can be as hard as he wants, I'm not afraid to be labeled. But thank you for your compassionate words.
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09-05-2008, 07:49 AM
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Rhoni, don't assume I don't know what I'm talking about or was indoctrinated into this belief. I searched it out after I was taught it and I believe it is what the Bible teaches. Dan can be as hard as he wants, I'm not afraid to be labeled. But thank you for your compassionate words.
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I think you don't know what you're talking about on this one either. Would love to hear your exegesis on this extreme view.
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09-05-2008, 05:49 AM
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
From another thread:
Sniff ... sniff ... sniff ...
FALSE DOCTRINE ALERT!!!!
You stand with the Roman church on that one, Mizzy ...
Not even Bernard or most of the 3 step crowd has gone that haywire.
Do you agree w/ Mizpeh in her new-fangled 3 step doctrine that our sins are not forgiven at repentance?
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Our sins are remitted, after we are baptised in Jesus name, following repentance.
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09-05-2008, 05:52 AM
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
Hmmm ... let's see, I guess we need a new song.
"At the Cross" isn't good enough.
At the creek,
At the creek,
Where I first saw the light
And the burdens of my heart rolled away,
It was there by water I received my sight
And now I go sputtin' all the day ...
By the way, we've heard that little catch phrase in all our lives ... another UPC saying that sounds good and soothes the masses but no one really knows what it means.
Now will one of you great theologians elaborate well and be specific and tell me what the difference is between FORGIVENESS and REMITTANCE?
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09-05-2008, 06:00 AM
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
Actually, whether admitted or not ... forget all this stupid arguing about where the blood is applied.
To a "three-stepper", your sins are not forgiven until you've spoken in tongues.
If not ... why not?
Will any three stepper say you can go to heaven without speaking in tongues?
Well, if your sins are forgiven, remitted or whatever in the first or second step but you never take the third ...
Doesn't THAT mean all your sins are forgiven but you can't go to heaven because you haven't spoken in tongues?
To keep from being placed in a ridiculous position, a "three stepper" must believe your sins are not forgiven until you've spoken in tongues - that in itself being a ridiculous position.
Once again ... if not - why not?
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09-05-2008, 06:13 AM
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by timlan2057
Actually, whether admitted or not ... forget all this stupid arguing about where the blood is applied.
To a "three-stepper", your sins are not forgiven until you've spoken in tongues.
If not ... why not?
Will any three stepper say you can go to heaven without speaking in tongues?
Well, if your sins are forgiven, remitted or whatever in the first or second step but you never take the third ...
Doesn't THAT mean all your sins are forgiven but you can't go to heaven because you haven't spoken in tongues?
To keep from being placed in a ridiculous position, a "three stepper" must believe your sins are not forgiven until you've spoken in tongues - that in itself being a ridiculous position.
Once again ... if not - why not?
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Ye must be born again of the Spirit. If you do not have the Holy Ghost you are none of his.
When repentance is coupled with baptism in the Name of Jesus, the curse of sin is lifted, and you are born of the water. John 3:3-5 very plainly states this is essential to see and enter into the Kingdom of God.
1st PETER 3:21.. Baptism saves us.
What is your understanding of the above verses?
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09-05-2008, 06:17 AM
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Cross-examine it!
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by timlan2057
Actually, whether admitted or not ... forget all this stupid arguing about where the blood is applied.
To a "three-stepper", your sins are not forgiven until you've spoken in tongues.
If not ... why not?
Will any three stepper say you can go to heaven without speaking in tongues?
Well, if your sins are forgiven, remitted or whatever in the first or second step but you never take the third ...
Doesn't THAT mean all your sins are forgiven but you can't go to heaven because you haven't spoken in tongues?
To keep from being placed in a ridiculous position, a "three stepper" must believe your sins are not forgiven until you've spoken in tongues - that in itself being a ridiculous position.
Once again ... if not - why not?
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They realize that denying forgiveness of sins at repentance is problematic and makes no sense which is why I had to ask and ask and re-ask, (thus the comment "ok prosecutor") the same question. Instinctively they know that to say "yes your sins are forgiven at repentance" would be equal to saying one is saved, thus the continual dodging of the question.
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09-05-2008, 10:49 AM
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
They realize that denying forgiveness of sins at repentance is problematic and makes no sense which is why I had to ask and ask and re-ask, (thus the comment "ok prosecutor") the same question. Instinctively they know that to say "yes your sins are forgiven at repentance" would be equal to saying one is saved, thus the continual dodging of the question.
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I answered your question on the other thread. It would have been helpful if you had clarified if you were talking about a sinner or a saint seeking forgiveness.
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To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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