Question for UPC ministers concerning the "New Church Order"

ChicagoPastor · #1 08-23-2007, 09:06 AM

Though it has been talked about on the forum, in case someone doesn't know Bishop Phillips, Wendell Hutchins, and Johnathon Suber have formed a fellowship called "New Church Order". They now state to have over 800 ministers affiliated with them
On the website site it says that the NCO is a fellowship not a denomination and therefore you don't have to leave your current denomination or organization to be a part of the NCO.

My question is this, has anyone heard or know what the UPC would say if their ministers were to join the NCO fellowship? Can the UPC prevent it's ministers from joining or fellowshipping with the NCO?

just curious.

revrandy · #2 08-23-2007, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

Though it has been talked about on the forum, in case someone doesn't know Bishop Phillips, Wendell Hutchins, and Johnathon Suber have formed a fellowship called "New Church Order". They now state to have over 800 ministers affiliated with them
On the website site it says that the NCO is a fellowship not a denomination and therefore you don't have to leave your current denomination or organization to be a part of the NCO.

My question is this, has anyone heard or know what the UPC would say if their ministers were to join the NCO fellowship? Can the UPC prevent it's ministers from joining or fellowshipping with the NCO?

just curious.

I think some already have... this has been discussed quiet a bit on here... check for some previous threads..

ChicagoPastor · #3 08-23-2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

I think some already have... this has been discussed quiet a bit on here... check for some previous threads..

I haven't seen where it was discussed about UPC ministers joing the NCO and also maintaining their affiliation with the UPC.

Do you remember the thread?

SDG · #4 08-23-2007, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

I haven't seen where it was discussed about UPC ministers joing the NCO and also maintaining their affiliation with the UPC.

Do you remember the thread?

We discussed this here, CP:

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=6423

#5 08-23-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

I haven't seen where it was discussed about UPC ministers joing the NCO and also maintaining their affiliation with the UPC.

Do you remember the thread?

I believe there are individual UPC Pastors that are in fellowship with the AWCF, or at least used to be.

Amos · #6 08-23-2007, 09:24 AM

Why would a UPC preacher want to affiliate with people who swallow whole both the divine flesh doctrine and Rowe's Adam doctrine?

I think I know the answer, but it grieves me.

SDG · #7 08-23-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Amos

Why would a UPC preacher want to affiliate with people who swallow whole both the divine flesh doctrine and Rowe's Adam doctrine?

I think I know the answer, but it grieves me.

The NCO does not endorse these doctrines ... and my obfuscating friend knows this ... The NCO has partnered with over 170 Oneness organizations under the AWCF umbrella ... some ranging from Sabbatarians, Preterists to the UltraCon flavor.

Amos · #8 08-23-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The NCO does not endorse these doctrines ... and my obfuscating friend knows this ... The NCO has partnered with over 170 Oneness organizations under the AWCF umbrella ... some ranging from Sabbatarians, Preterists to the UltraCon flavor.

No obfuscation here.

They are in fellowship with false doctrine, plain and simple, and it is false doctrine of the heretical variety.

The Closer · #9 08-23-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Amos

No obfuscation here.

They are in fellowship with false doctrine, plain and simple, and it is false doctrine of the heretical variety.

Personally I did not expect anything different. I am not surprised at the bolded fact, as a matter of fact it is expected. But they are so very progressive, Yeah, Right.

#10 08-23-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Amos

No obfuscation here.

They are in fellowship with false doctrine, plain and simple, and it is false doctrine of the heretical variety.

False doctrine exists in every movement Amos.

I daresay it exists within your own. For years the doctrine of preterism was allowed to grow unchecked. Only too late was the promotion of the heresy stopped, after many good men and women were polluted by it. The heresy of Divine Flesh was allowed for decades as well.

Now new heresy has presented itself. Your merry band of brothers tolerates it; further, they defend it. They do so because to denounce it would hurt their relationships with some of their closest friends and political allies.

So it seems that heresy has landed on your doorstep Reverend. What do you intend to do about it? Why do you continue to fellowship men who tolerate such false doctrine?