Question for UPC ministers concerning the "New Church Order"

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by TexasProud

Can't say about the other two, but one of the NCO founders used to be UC. Interesting how one's convictions disappear over the years....

Two were actually UPC of recent... and one was a long time ago..

WH...and JS.... recently let go of their licsence...

and Phillips did a number of years ago ( I believe..could be wrong on this one)

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Sacerdotal

I know a lot of people in the AWCF and not one of them could be remotely considered UC.

I also know that there used to be something in the UPC manual about holding credentials with other groups.

False doctrine fellowship seems like strange fire to me. The bible shows that kind begats kind. False doctrine will eventually to those not sold on truth. Kind begats kind.

Where I come from, they used to tell me that if you lay under the porch with the dogs, you're apt to get up with fleas.

[Sacerdotal]

I don't know or even care much about some NWO but what AWCF I've seen basically amounts to a comedy show. Nobody really believes what the other believes but few care because what you believe doesn't matter anymore.

Serpent seed - false doctrine.
Divine flesh - false doctine.
Some believe trinity - false doctrine.
Some were caught in adultery - dumb.
Some preach prosperity doctrines - dumb.

And the list goes on.

[TexasProud]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Two were actually UPC of recent... and one was a long time ago..

WH...and JS.... recently let go of their licsence...

and Phillips did a number of years ago ( I believe..could be wrong on this one)

You are correct. Didn't know WH/JS had actually done the deed, yet. Knew they were on the verge.
I used to spend summers in south TX when WH was still in a store front. Those were the days. I don't even recognize the church now. (He is my father's pastor.)

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Sacerdotal

I don't know or even care much about some NWO but what AWCF I've seen basically amounts to a comedy show. Nobody really believes what the other believes but few care because what you believe doesn't matter anymore.

Serpent seed - false doctrine.
Divine flesh - false doctine.
Some believe trinity - false doctrine.
Some were caught in adultery - dumb.
Some preach prosperity doctrines - dumb.

And the list goes on.

A keen analysis of the situation.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by TexasProud

You are correct. Didn't know WH/JS had actually done the deed, yet. Knew they were on the verge.
I used to spend summers in south TX when WH was still in a store front. Those were the days. I don't even recognize the church now. (He is my father's pastor.)

What does this mean??

Building wise or People wise?

[TexasProud]

Originally Posted by revrandy

What does this mean??

Building wise or People wise?

I was referring to the people/worship/music/preaching, etc. But they did get out of the storefront pretty quickly and build a nice facility to which they now have added a new larger sanctuary. This has all happened over the past 16+ years or so.

Originally Posted by Amos

No obfuscation here.

They are in fellowship with false doctrine, plain and simple, and it is false doctrine of the heretical variety.

False doctrine exists in every movement Amos.

I daresay it exists within your own. For years the doctrine of preterism was allowed to grow unchecked. Only too late was the promotion of the heresy stopped, after many good men and women were polluted by it. The heresy of Divine Flesh was allowed for decades as well.

Now new heresy has presented itself. Your merry band of brothers tolerates it; further, they defend it. They do so because to denounce it would hurt their relationships with some of their closest friends and political allies.

So it seems that heresy has landed on your doorstep Reverend. What do you intend to do about it? Why do you continue to fellowship men who tolerate such false doctrine?

[Sam]

The NCO website address is
http://www.newchurchorder.com/content/view/59/44/
for any who may want to sign up

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by johnmark93

False doctrine exists in every movement Amos.

I daresay it exists within your own. For years the doctrine of preterism was allowed to grow unchecked. Only too late was the promotion of the heresy stopped, after many good men and women were polluted by it. The heresy of Divine Flesh was allowed for decades as well.

Now new heresy has presented itself. Your merry band of brothers tolerates it; further, they defend it. They do so because to denounce it would hurt their relationships with some of their closest friends and political allies.

So it seems that heresy has landed on your doorstep Reverend. What do you intend to do about it? Why do you continue to fellowship men who tolerate such false doctrine?

Care to name the new heresy you are refering to.