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Old 12-20-2018, 04:51 PM
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Does Modern Church Differ from 1st Century Church?

Other than modern technology how does modern church differ from the church of the 1st century?
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Old 12-20-2018, 05:01 PM
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Other than modern technology how does modern church differ from the church of the 1st century?
Define "modern church". Do you mean oneness Pentecostalism? Christianity in general? RCC? Institutional churches? Global pentecostal-charismatic movement?

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Old 12-21-2018, 06:36 PM
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None of them spoke English. Few of them had Bibles. Few met in building designed as churches.

The Greek churches were culturally different than the Hebrew churches.

There was only one church in town.
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Old 12-22-2018, 01:53 AM
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I have a feeling they didn't have two Services on Sundays!
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Old 12-22-2018, 09:25 AM
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Persecution was intense.
signs, wonders, and miracle were prevelant
There were heresies, divisions, and strife.
The shared their resources
Love was emphasized
They turned the world upside down, not sure if we are doing that


some things were different but others are the same.
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The first century church lived in a much slower time. I can only imagine the spazzing out that would occur among modern folks if they were thrown back to the Roman world.
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Churches met in homes
No Sunday School
I doubt it was set up like an auditorium, more informal
They prayed more, sang less
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None of them spoke English. Few of them had Bibles. Few met in building designed as churches.

The Greek churches were culturally different than the Hebrew churches.

There was only one church in town.
One church? But many congregations
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Churches met in homes
No Sunday School
I doubt it was set up like an auditorium, more informal
They prayed more, sang less
While ancient churches were "house churches", we should not imagine that means they were a small group gathered in a living room sitting on couches around the coffee table.

Ancient houses that were large enough to have lots of "company" over were very different than modern American or western European houses. They were essentially a large room, often set up like a court yard in many cases. Otherwise, the main room was a large, usually rectangular area. At one end was the entrance out on to the street, at the back end would be a raised area for dining. This area would have a raised dais of sorts, with a lower area surrounding it on three sides (open to the main room). No table and chairs, rather people would recline around the dais (laying down). There was a very specific arrangement as to who laid where in reference to the host (owner of the house, or else an important personage).

Most guests would sit on the floor in the main room, or stand, etc. In the event of a meal, the table (dais) would be loaded with the food, the higher social ranks would recline at table, while everyone else would eat where they were.

For a religious gathering, it would be similar to a Symposium. People would gather in the main room, and whoever was speaking would stand and speak. For prayer, early Christians stood, and prostrated (sitting for prayer would usually not happen).

Society was far more stratified in the ancient world, with rigorously upheld social customs regulating interactions and conversation, etc. At least compared to today's world.

Singing would have been mostly from the book of psalms, usually in an antiphonal (call and response) manner. Occasionally someone might present a hymn of original composition. If it was good the assembly would eventually pick it up and sing it together, adding it to their repertoire.

An elder would have presided over the meetings. His job would be to provide teaching as well as to answer questions. Other elders might also be present. Those known to be gifted with the ability to teach, or to exhort (preach), would do so. Women and children would be expected to be quiet except for singing and praying.

The meeting would usually conclude with a meal, including the breaking and distribution of a loaf of bread, as well as the passing of a cup of wine that had been blessed by prayer (aka communion).

Each assembly would also usually have a treasury of some sort, where members would contribute money. This treasury would then be distributed to the poorer members to help meet their needs (especially widows and orphans). The distribution of alms, food, etc was usually handled by the "deacons".

After the meeting, and throughout the week, the elders and deacons would visit the members, inquire about their needs and their condition, teaching and ministering to the Christian community house to house, family to family, etc.

I suspect it would be considered a lot more structured and regimented than most Americans think. It would also probably be more structured than most Americans would tolerate. The idea of "sitting on a pew once a week" and being generally invisible to oversight would have been considered something like apostasy back then.
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The early Church had no Bibles. They taught from either OT scrolls or manuscripts they may have had. In rare cases they may have had a full collection of the OT.

The New Testament they had would consist of letters or tracts written by the apostles or others on the inside. Perhaps 3 of the gospels were written early on.

There was no printing press so whatever they were using had to be hand copied. Churches may have had a gospel or two. Then maybe Paul wrote them a letter.

An apostle or evangelist or someone familiar with the doctrine of Christ may have visited the assembly and verified whether the info the Church had was accurate.

It would be many years before Churches would have what we consider a full Bible. And even then many if not most saints probably could not read. Thats one reason the saints were so dependent of the leadership. All they could believe in was what they were taught to believe in.

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