Are Trinitarians Saved?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

If I send a man to pay for your hotel room in my name, does that person transitively take on my name? Does that hotel room become mine or yours if registered for you? Again, my point is not to contend here, but to analyze. It seems Oneness proponents have varying thoughts on the topic just as much as those I encountered in the past.

There is no other name given among men whereby we must be saved.

Jesus means Jehovah Salvation.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

Again, the term is accurate since though you still maintain Sabellius' partialism, you do not concur with each point of his doctrine, neither I imagine would he have concurred entirely with your camp's modifications of what he believed, much less Nœtus, Theodoret or Praxeus, you still deny hypostasis. I have met Oneness proponents who argued for successive manifestations and not simultaneous ones, which term would fit the term. Either way, it is all partialism no matter what term you employ, friend.

Also, so that I don't misrepresent your camp, do answer my query.

Oneness don't deny Hypostasis. We deny Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 3 distinct Hypostasis

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Actually, you are right. Baptism in the name of Jesus has little to do with invocations of baptizers. That is not debatable.

Just because you keep repeating a lie doesn't make it true. You are as wrong as wrong can be. Why don't you prove biblically that baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ has nothing to do with the "invocations of baptizers".

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

Friend, I am not going to argue you, but that is your unfounded opinon. We do not believe in partialism that is another term for modalism. Good day.

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Actually, I'm not sure you understand partialism.

[Praxeas]

And I would amend the question to "Are any Trinitarians saved" or to "Can Trinitarians be saved?"

Yes

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by BuckeyeBukaroo

Just because you keep repeating a lie doesn't make it true. You are as wrong as wrong can be. Why don't you prove biblically that baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ has nothing to do with the "invocations of baptizers".

If you are insisting that it invocations of the baptizer constitute baptism in the name of Jesus, the burden of proof is on YOU, not me. You will find no connection to the forgiveness of sins and baptismal invocation in the New Testament.

[Strict Baptist]

Originally Posted by Amanah

There is no other name given among men whereby we must be saved.

Jesus means Jehovah Salvation.

Indeed, Jesus does mean salvation, but you did not answer my questions, friend. Those question actually pinpoint the differences between the two camps. I'm simply trying to grasp what former friends who defected from the Oneness camp have said. My trinitarian Pentecostal family has either directly stated or insinuated I am lost for rejecting Pentecostalism despite making a clear scriptural case for so doing, but have not been rather clear about it as some have been on this board.

The impression these former Oneness believers gave is basically the same kind of view is extended to Trinitarians as those of The Way International, Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, Christadelphians -- trinitarians for them represent the lowest nadir of schism bordering on being altogether antichrist. One intimated that simply for befriending Trinitarians there were those who were censured by their congregations.

[BuckeyeBukaroo]

Originally Posted by Originalist

If you are insisting that it invocations of the baptizer constitute baptism in the name of Jesus, the burden of proof is on YOU, not me. You will find no connection to the forgiveness of sins and baptismal invocation in the New Testament.

You will not find a pattern or even an instance where anyone was baptized in the Bible with any other, "invocation" other than the Name of Jesus. How is this not plain to you? I apologize, but are you a Trinitarian? If so, then I will apologize again and take a different approach towards you. If you are an Apostolic, then you should be ashamed of your attempts to advocate an unbiblical view of water baptism.

You are the one telling the lies. Prove them true. You can't, so you don't try.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Strict Baptist

Indeed, Jesus does mean salvation, but you did not answer my questions, friend. Those question actually pinpoint the differences between the two camps. I'm simply trying to grasp what former friends who defected from the Oneness camp have said. My trinitarian Pentecostal family has either directly stated or insinuated I am lost for rejecting Pentecostalism despite making a clear scriptural case for so doing, but have not been rather clear about it as some have been on this board.

The impression these former Oneness believers gave is basically the same kind of view is extended to Trinitarians as those of The Way International, Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, Christadelphians -- trinitarians for them represent the lowest nadir of schism bordering on being altogether antichrist. One intimated that simply for befriending Trinitarians there were those who were censured by their congregations.

The UPCI church I attended actually had Trinitarian preachers in the pulpit from time to time.

[Strict Baptist]

Originally Posted by Originalist

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Actually, I'm not sure you understand partialism.

Again, I previously asked you for the proper view if the Father or the Son represent the one Jehovah. You never answered. If I am willing to read your college treatise, you could at least answer the question.