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Old 08-27-2015, 05:13 PM
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Apparently, the shooter KNEW and had some sort of work relationship with his victims.

This wasn't a random let's go out and kill some white people kind of racial violence tragedy.
Right..it was premeditated
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Right..it was premeditated
Exactly.

He was mentally unstable for sure, but had he been put on trial, I don't know how he could have used mental instability to explain away the planning it took to carry out his cowardly wickedness.
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Old 08-27-2015, 05:38 PM
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His victims didn't have to be random for it to be a hate crime. His mindset behind it, what he wrote in his manifesto about starting a race war, is what matters.

Tired of people just dismissing it when white people are killed by blacks who are motivated by racial hate. As though blacks could never kill out of race-based hatred.
Anyone can kill out of race-based hatred.

I am not convinced that in THIS situation we are looking at a guy bent on killing these people simply because they were white.

The more details emerge about his behavior, his mentality AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THEIR SHARED HISTORIES, the more I am convinced that this was not solely about race.
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Old 08-27-2015, 05:51 PM
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JD, could you please explain the meaning of "not solely?"

Let's see how that phrase works when used in other sentences...

She was not solely a housewife.

He was not solely a butcher.

He was not solely a baker.

He was not solely a candlestick maker.

OK, please explain how you are using the phrase in your quote?
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This guy was a mental powder keg-- by his own admission and by his own documented actions.

He didn't wake up and decide that fateful morning, "I'm gonna go kill white people".


After Eric Garner was killed by the NYC PD, there were two cops sitting in their cars and killed in cold blood solely because they were cops. That was the ONLY reason they were targeted and killed.

In Charleston, SC when dylann killed the nine black Christians, they were only killed because they were black-- no other reason.

You look at the current situation, and there are several factors involved as to why this black guy killed these two specific white people.

Why did he kill these white people? Why not white strangers he didn't know? Why not more white people? Why stop at just two when he had the time and ability to carry out more race-based carnage if his actions were solely race-oriented?

Why did he kill these two white people?

Because it was MORE THAN JUST RACIAL. It was personal. It was the result of his own twisted thinking and his perceptions of being wronged-- specifically by these two people, and maybe others, but definitely these two.

Look at the way this murder was carried out! It was deeply personal.
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Old 08-27-2015, 06:02 PM
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Re: Another shooting!

Had he gone to the broadcast studios of the tv station there in rural, southwestern VA, he would have had the ability to kill many more white people and still be on tv while doing so.

Instead, he killed two white people, two white people he had worked with, two white people that he knew. We can't just poo poo that reality away and simply write him off as a racist, as if that was the only reason why he did what he did.

For the record, whatever reasoning he had for murdering those people was faulty, flawed, and twisted-- but his reasoning included more than race.

After he killed THOSE two white people, he could have killed more-- strangers, innocents, people driving down the highway, people pulling into Wal-Mart, he could have even went to a church and found people in morning prayer and killed them.

However, he didn't do any of that.

We know what he did.

We know some of his history.
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Exactly.

He was mentally unstable for sure, but had he been put on trial, I don't know how he could have used mental instability to explain away the planning it took to carry out his cowardly wickedness.
So it was a premeditated act of racial violence....
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Old 08-28-2015, 02:44 AM
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So it was a premeditated act of racial violence....
If you read my other posts on this page, you'd understand that there was more in play here in this specific case than just racial hatred, racial violence.

I've spelled out the other factors besides race but if you or anyone else want to make this SOLELY about race, have at it.

The FACTS say that there was more going on here than just simple racial hatred.

The 2 cops sitting in their car in NYC-- simple cop hatred.

Charleston, SC-- simple racial hatred.

This case-- several aggravating factors involved.

I've made it quite plain to see, if you would but only see.
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EB,
This guy was a mental powder keg-- by his own admission and by his own documented actions.

He didn't wake up and decide that fateful morning, "I'm gonna go kill white people".


After Eric Garner was killed by the NYC PD, there were two cops sitting in their cars and killed in cold blood solely because they were cops. That was the ONLY reason they were targeted and killed.

In Charleston, SC when dylann killed the nine black Christians, they were only killed because they were black-- no other reason.

You look at the current situation, and there are several factors involved as to why this black guy killed these two specific white people.

Why did he kill these white people? Why not white strangers he didn't know? Why not more white people? Why stop at just two when he had the time and ability to carry out more race-based carnage if his actions were solely race-oriented?

Why did he kill these two white people?

Because it was MORE THAN JUST RACIAL. It was personal. It was the result of his own twisted thinking and his perceptions of being wronged-- specifically by these two people, and maybe others, but definitely these two.

Look at the way this murder was carried out! It was deeply personal.
Hello!

I didn't ask you about the above? JD, are you even dealing with what I asked you in my post? I want you to ask yourself? Did I answer what was in EB's post, or did I just post what I feel would shut EB up? Is that how you dialogue? So, if you are ready, I want to ask you my question again.

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JD, could you please explain the meaning of "not solely?"

Let's see how that phrase works when used in other sentences...

She was not solely a housewife.

He was not solely a butcher.

He was not solely a baker.

He was not solely a candlestick maker.

OK, please explain how you are using the phrase in your quote?
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Because it was MORE THAN JUST RACIAL. It was personal. It was the result of his own twisted thinking and his perceptions of being wronged-- specifically by these two people, and maybe others, but definitely these two.

Look at the way this murder was carried out! It was deeply personal.
JD, could you explain the use of "just racial" in your sentence?
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Re: Another shooting!

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JD, could you please explain the meaning of "not solely?"

Let's see how that phrase works when used in other sentences...

She was not solely a housewife.

He was not solely a butcher.

He was not solely a baker.

He was not solely a candlestick maker.

OK, please explain how you are using the phrase in your quote?
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EB,
This guy was a mental powder keg-- by his own admission and by his own documented actions.

He didn't wake up and decide that fateful morning, "I'm gonna go kill white people".


After Eric Garner was killed by the NYC PD, there were two cops sitting in their cars and killed in cold blood solely because they were cops. That was the ONLY reason they were targeted and killed.
My use of the phrase "not solely" is elaborated on in this paragraph. "Not solely" means that there was more than one reason. In the case of the two cops mentioned above, they were only killed because they were cops. Their cop status was the sole reason for their murders.

In the case down in south western VA, race was not the only factor in the murder of the victims.


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In Charleston, SC when dylann killed the nine black Christians, they were only killed because they were black-- no other reason.
The victims in the Charleston case were killed solely because they were black-- there wasn't another reason or justification.

Again, with the case in south western VA, there are clearly other factors involved. I am not saying race wasn't a factor, I am saying it wasn't the only factor, else he would have killed random white people, more white people-- he definitely had the time, capability and opportunity to kill more white people if that was his only motivation.

He was not solely motivated by race hatred.


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You look at the current situation, and there are several factors involved as to why this black guy killed these two specific white people.

Why did he kill these white people? Why not white strangers he didn't know? Why not more white people? Why stop at just two when he had the time and ability to carry out more race-based carnage if his actions were solely race-oriented?

Why did he kill these two white people?

Because it was MORE THAN JUST RACIAL. It was personal. It was the result of his own twisted thinking and his perceptions of being wronged-- specifically by these two people, and maybe others, but definitely these two.

Look at the way this murder was carried out! It was deeply personal.
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Hello!

I didn't ask you about the above? JD, are you even dealing with what I asked you in my post? I want you to ask yourself? Did I answer what was in EB's post, or did I just post what I feel would shut EB up? Is that how you dialogue? So, if you are ready, I want to ask you my question again.


I have answered your question concerning my use of the phrase, "not solely". If I haven't, please help me answer you.
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