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Old 08-09-2017, 08:23 AM
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I agree with Flaming Sword. If we claim to be Apostolic we MUST follow Apostolic example. In Scripture there was the presentation of The Truth, and for those who believed and confessed, they were Baptized immediately. That is the Apostolic pattern. I believe in Expeditious Water Baptism.
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:39 AM
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Accurate faith in the Lord?
What does that mean?
I don't remember seeing this before, but am happy to answer.

An accurate faith in the Lord is predicated upon certain realities of who and what Jesus of Nazareth is and was.

Take this book by famed Buddhist monk Thich Nhat Hanh:

https://www.amazon.com/Going-Home-Je.../dp/1573228303

Ought we to suppose that this represents an accurate depiction of Jesus? If someone thought it did, do you suppose their faith in Jesus is based in reality (accurate), or in non-reality (inaccurate)?

That's the kind of thing I mean when I say "an accurate faith in the Lord".

So, a sample list might look like this:

Jesus, born of a virgin named Mary, and of God His Father, is the Son of God, the Christ, born in Bethlehem, fled to Egypt, raised by Joseph in Nazareth, was a carpenter/stone mason, was baptized by His cousin John in the Jordan River, ministered for three and a half years. Was crucified and died, was buried, was raised to life and ascended to the right hand of the Father...

These are the kind of accurate statements I believe a person needs to be aware of, generally speaking. Specifically speaking, when it comes to a person's immersion, they should certainly believe above all else that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, as Simon Peter declared Him, and as the Ethiopian eunuch professed in order to be immersed by Philip.

Consider a regular poster at Jason Dulle's blog, who goes by several names, one being LeotheGreater, who has repeatedly claimed that Jesus was an atheist, that the term Father simply refers to an inward reality of self, and that Jesus, through the Holy Scriptures was the one who revealed this to him.

I wouldn't immerse this dude no matter how much he begged or paid. His is not an accurate faith in the Lord, regardless of what he thinks about Jesus, believes about Jesus, or claims to have had revealed to him about Jesus, from "Jesus".
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Q: Did the apostles concern themselves with trying to determine the extent or "seriousness" of a person's commitment to follow Christ prior to baptizing them?
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Old 08-14-2017, 06:06 PM
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Q: Did the apostles concern themselves with trying to determine the extent or "seriousness" of a person's commitment to follow Christ prior to baptizing them?
It's only prudent to try and teach someone what they're doing before rushing them into a baptismal tank.

I've seen people snotting it up at the altar their first time in church and they were baptized that night and it was all good and they stuck. But I've also seen people baptized the first night they went to an altar and it was obvious they didn't really have a clue as to what they were committing to when they were baptized.

So it's a case by case basis that takes some wisdom and prudence.
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Is water baptism a condition for salvation?
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Old 08-15-2017, 11:31 AM
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Is water baptism a condition for salvation?
Does a dog bark?
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Old 08-15-2017, 11:53 AM
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It's a valid question asked by many and your answer is just plain stupid.
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Is water baptism a condition for salvation?
Yes.
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It's a valid question asked by many and your answer is just plain stupid.
Asked by whom here?
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It's a valid question asked by many and your answer is just plain stupid.
Does a duck quack?
Is the sky blue?
Must one breathe to stay alive?
Did Old MacDonald say "e i e i o?"
Do eagles soar?

"Is water baptism a condition for salvation?"
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