Why are You a Part of Something You Hate?

[Nahum]

Why do people continue to be a part of something they hate? Isn't this level of self-loathing unhealthy and harmful to the groups they are a part of? It really slays me that people identify themselves as Apostolic Pentecostals and then rip and shred the church or organization they are a part of to bits.

I can understand that we all have some level of differences of opinion.
That's cool.

But when your complaints elevate to an incessant whine regarding everything in your church and organization - what's the point? Why not just leave?

Lately AFF has turned into one big "I hate my heritage" concert. It's getting very old, very fast. People ripping on their pastors, their bylaws, their parents beliefs, their church's standards, their church's lack of standards.

Then we have the whole "I should get paid to sing in the choir" crowd. Ridiculous! Add to that the assertion that if you give LITERALLY one penny in a church's offering you are automatically a legal member and can sue the church to get your way about anything. INSANE!!!!!!!!

Is there a motive behind all this whining? Is there a move to reduce the authority of the ministry to rubble? Is there an "I will ascend" spirit involved in all of this moaning and groaning?

I think we all know the answer............... The answer is yes!!!!!!!!
A thousand times yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It seems very few want to FOLLOW Jesus and his ministers anywhere. Instead, they want a Jesus, and a pastor, and a church, that will cowtow to every little self-willed whim that catches their fancy.

What the church needs is a revival of sacrifice. We are lazy, and fat, and drunk, on the pleasures of this world. You need to quit trying to push your agenda, railroading your pastor, and bartering with God.

How about a spirit of meekness and service instead? Would God that someone would FOR ONCE IN THEIR MISERABLE LIVES try their best to support their pastor and his family instead of bashing their heads up against the wall every time they do something you disagree with.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

We need Bro Epley's Testimony or Renda's This is the Day The LORD has made threads.....

Is this one positive enough to get responses?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

We need Bro Epley's Testimony or Renda's This is the Day The LORD has made threads.....

Is this one positive enough to get responses?

You know its not. It will be totally ignored, or someone will say

"but, but, but you don't understand, Pastor Poster!!!"

"What's wrong with you, Pastor Poster?"

"Why are you so mean, Pastor Poster?"

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Why do people continue to be a part of something they hate? Isn't this level of self-loathing unhealthy and harmful to the groups they are a part of? It really slays me that people identify themselves as Apostolic Pentecostals and then rip and shred the church or organization they are a part of to bits.

I can understand that we all have some level of differences of opinion.
That's cool.

But when your complaints elevate to an incessant whine regarding everything in your church and organization - what's the point? Why not just leave?

Lately AFF has turned into one big "I hate my heritage" concert. It's getting very old, very fast. People ripping on their pastors, their bylaws, their parents beliefs, their church's standards, their church's lack of standards.

Then we have the whole "I should get paid to sing in the choir" crowd. Ridiculous! Add to that the assertion that if you give LITERALLY one penny in a church's offering you are automatically a legal member and can sue the church to get your way about anything. INSANE!!!!!!!!

Is there a motive behind all this whining? Is there a move to reduce the authority of the ministry to rubble? Is there an "I will ascend" spirit involved in all of this moaning and groaning?

I think we all know the answer............... The answer is yes!!!!!!!!
A thousand times yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It seems very few want to FOLLOW Jesus and his ministers anywhere. Instead, they want a Jesus, and a pastor, and a church, that will cowtow to every little self-willed whim that catches their fancy.

What the church needs is a revival of sacrifice. We are lazy, and fat, and drunk, on the pleasures of this world. You need to quit trying to push your agenda, railroading your pastor, and bartering with God.

How about a spirit of meekness and service instead? Would God that someone would FOR ONCE IN THEIR MISERABLE LIVES try their best to support their pastor and his family instead of bashing their heads up against the wall every time they do something you disagree with.

Why the nerve!!!!

Very good post.
The sentence about fat & lazy isn't just restricted to the American Church either.

[Tina]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

You know its not. It will be totally ignored, or someone will say

"but, but, but you don't understand, Pastor Poster!!!"

"What's wrong with you, Pastor Poster?"

"Why are you so mean, Pastor Poster?"

I can't argue with anything you posted. There's not much I can add at the moment..... except maybe for an AMEN! I don't think you're mean at all.........







and I didn't ignore the thread

[rgcraig]

PP,

People just love a good fuss!

I was just perusing Pentecostal Praise and Worship Hymnal song titles trying to find something and ran across this title "We'll Girdle the Globe"!!!

What in the world is that song about?

[rgcraig]

WE’LL GIRDLE THE GLOBE

Written in 1891
Vivian Dake

Behold the hands stretched out for aid,
Darkened by sin and sore dismayed;
Oh, will you to their rescue go,
Lost wand’rers down to endless woe?

Refrain

We’ll girdle the globe with salvation,
With holiness unto the Lord;
And light shall illumine each nation,
The light from the lamp of His Word.

In heathen lands they watch and wait,
And sigh for help which comes so late,
And grope in sin and nature’s night,
Forever vainly seeking light.

Refrain

Oh, flash the tidings! shout the sound,
In darkest lands the world around,
Till all the earth from pole to pole,
Shall full salvation echoes roll.

Refrain

The watch fires kindle far and near,
In ev’ry land let them appear,
Till burning lines of Gospel fire,
Shall gird the world and mount up higher.

Refrain

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

PP,

People just love a good fuss!

I was just perusing Pentecostal Praise and Worship Hymnal song titles trying to find something and ran across this title "We'll Girdle and Globe"!!!

What in the world is that song about?

You know, I love a good agrument! But this has risen to a level of stupidity.

That someone expects to get paid for being an usher, or greeter, and if they are not the church is cheap, the pastor is a thief, and life is unfair.

I planted a church, work full time, have a wife and three kids, just finished writing a book, and teach dozens of bible studies. I have never recieved one paycheck for my pastoral ministry in my church. I put it all back.

I guess life is unfair? What a bunch of selfish whiney-babies!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We need revival!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[StillStanding]

Pastor Poster, I enjoy reading your posts, but this time I think you're taking everyone a little too seriously!

The griping and complaining has been going on since the beginning of the church, but mostly privately.

The internet allows us to voice our concerns without necessarily worrying about a personal consequence. This allows for more open and honest conversation. JMHO

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

You know, I love a good agrument! But this has risen to a level of stupidity.

That someone expects to get paid for being an usher, or greeter, and if they are not the church is cheap, the pastor is a thief, and life is unfair.

I planted a church, work full time, have a wife and three kids, just finished writing a book, and teach dozens of bible studies. I have never recieved one paycheck for my pastoral ministry in my church. I put it all back.

I guess life is unfair? What a bunch of selfish whiney-babies!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We need revival!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's GIRDLE THE GLOBE!!!!!!!!!!!!