Television Issue!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Exemption card?

The thought crossed my mind.

[Sister Alvear]

Well, I do not think Hoovie was calling you a gay...

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Well, I do not think Hoovie was calling you a gay...

A completely objective opinion, I'm sure.

But, just to keep this conversation honest and accurate, I never said he called me "a gay."

Do you remember The Kingsmen? They were a pretty terrible southern gospel quartet. They had this song called, "Excuses, excuses, you hear them everyday." I thought of that song when I read your post.

[Admin]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Well, it's pretty obvious how incredibly difficult it would be to dig those up, seeing as how there are no certain key words since they were insinuations, not direct statements. But I'll check with my therapist and see if it's ok if I spend some time digging up the hurts of the past.

Notofworks, nevertheless, if you make an accusation, you must back it up with facts or let it go. Thanks for researching and re-posting the relevant posts.

However, you were asked to report them, so they have now been removed from this thread and reported to the Admin forum for review as originally requested.

Originally Posted by jfrog

I bet whichever admin challenged NOW to produce Hoovie-to-NOW-gay insinuations wishes they had just dropped the thing.

Definitely not. You underestimate the Admin team. We are committed to treating members and situations fairly.

Originally Posted by notofworks

A completely objective opinion, I'm sure.

But, just to keep this conversation honest and accurate, I never said he called me "a gay."

Do you remember The Kingsmen? They were a pretty terrible southern gospel quartet. They had this song called, "Excuses, excuses, you hear them everyday." I thought of that song when I read your post.

notofworks, if you are not accusing Hoovie of implying that you are gay, then what are you accusing him of? Please PM your answer to the Admin team.

To everyone else: These posts are being reviewed by the Admin team. They are not fodder for any further discussion on this thread, and no further discussion about Hoovie's posts will be allowed. If you have a question or comment, please PM Admin or a member of Admin.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I bet whichever admin challenged NOW to produce Hoovie-to-NOW-gay insinuations wishes they had just dropped the thing.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Admin

Notofworks, nevertheless, if you make an accusation, you must back it up with facts or let it go. Thanks for researching and re-posting the relevant posts.

However, you were asked to report them, so they have now been removed from this thread and reported to the Admin forum for review as originally requested.



Definitely not. You underestimate the Admin team. We are committed to treating members and situations fairly.



notofworks, if you are not accusing Hoovie of implying that you are gay, then what are you accusing him of? Please PM your answer to the Admin team.

To everyone else: These posts are being reviewed by the Admin team. They are not fodder for any further discussion on this thread, and no further discussion about Hoovie's posts will be allowed. If you have a question or comment, please PM Admin or a member of Admin.

Well, I backed it up.

It's pretty incredibly obvious, but I NEVER said that Hoovie said I was gay. I said that Hoovie insinuated and hinted that I was gay. That seems fairly easy to separate.

As directed, I PMed my answer to the Admin Team.

[Admin]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Well, I backed it up.

It's pretty incredibly obvious, but I NEVER said that Hoovie said I was gay. I said that Hoovie insinuated and hinted that I was gay. That seems fairly easy to separate.

As directed, I PMed my answer to the Admin Team.

The real issue, it appears, is why you continue to bring this up even after resolution has been attempted. Considering that this was posted January 13, 2011, your complaints should have died a long time ago:

Originally Posted by Hoovie

OK NOW, as the thread title says - please release me.

No ill will intended.

No seriousness implied.

No harm intended to you,

nor the gay community that you minister to.

The harm you have perceived coming from my statements was misinterpreted.

I am sorry, and assure you those statements are no different than those I have teased other friends with and even myself included.

As to the gay community, via my limited exposure through some friends that I know to be/have been gay, they do not seem to be without humor and could accept silly statements without serious offense.

The Christian position, (those who endorse or perform homosexual acts being outside the body of Christ) causes offense of it's own, without antagonizing.

So once again, I wish you the best, and blessings to your home and church.

This post should have been more than adequate to address your concerns. This issue should not be brought up again, unless there is an additional offense after this date. Once someone has explained themselves and apologized, all parties, especially those that strive to be Christlike, should move forward. Hoovie obviously made an attempt to set things straight over two months ago, and it's a shame that it wasn't accepted.

Now back to your regularly scheduled "Television" discussion.

[Praxeas]

Guys, it's time to drop it and move on.

And just so everyone is clear, if you have a problem with admin actions you need to PM the admin team or one of the members and do your commentaries or complaints that way.

Please don't let there be a next time.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Guys, it's time to drop it and move on.

And just so everyone is clear, if you have a problem with admin actions you need to PM the admin team or one of the members and do your commentaries or complaints that way.

Please don't let there be a next time.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

OK, for everyone who is against signing something which says they are doing one thing, but they are doing another, we ALL sign a form every year where dishonesty is a known issue amongst EVERYONE! It's called your 1040.

If you Barter or sell anything, such as at a garage sale, you are required to report any gains as income (the sale is higher than the purchase). Here is a statement directly from publication 525 from the Internal Revenue code;

"Bartering occurs when you exchange goods or services without exchanging money. An example of bartering is a plumber doing repair work for a dentist in exchange for dental services. The fair market value of goods and services received in exchange for goods or services you provide must be included in income in the year received."

If I preach for another pastor in exchange for other services, I’m supposed to report this as income. If I work on my neighbor’s car while he’s fixing my broken deck (I’m the mechanic and he’s the carpenter), we are supposed to report this.

Can I see a show of hands of how many on AFF obey this LAW????

Even your kids babysitting or mowing lawns for money, they are supposed to report this income. People in this Country, including Christians, look the other way when they fill out their income tax forms at the end of the year. I always laugh when someone tells me, “I’m totally honest on my Tax Return.”

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Exactly. No one is doing it 100% correct. Even those who claim they are. It's easy to call foul when there is nothing at risk in these things.

I come from a barn raising community. Neighbor helping neighbor. In an audit I was asked whether I have ever helped anyone in exchange for their assistance...? I replied that my father and I will help each other when need arises. The auditor asked if I realized that was breaking the law unless this was reported as both income and expense on our personal tax returns? I said no, I considered that Christian charity. They said from now on you need to report any and all such, whether they be considered acts of charity or not. Ridiculous!

NFS, with this being in the middle of tax season this may be a very real concern - now that you brought it up!. To sign or not to sign, that is the question.

I think compliance is not based solely on the level of integrity the tax filers have. (As you pointed out, most are likely not compliant in practice).

What it boils down to is that one is filing their taxes and is in general compliance in the reporting of income and expense. In an audit, they can and will find discrepancies if they want to. If you or I were to run for office the lawyers and media could find plenty to be brought into question.

So it is with church denominations. I seriously doubt any minister believes and teaches the AOF 100% as written for UPCI.