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08-21-2008, 09:57 PM
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Re: PEAK first WPF Youth Conference
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Wow - a very bold statement indeed. Are you 100% sure that God had absolutely nothing to do with them coming together? How much have you read on the history of these organizations being created?
They are not "just" organizations - they are organizations created for a divinely spiritual purpose - to preach Jesus and his word and to spread the gospel to the world. Therefore there is a BIG difference b/n apostolic holiness organizations and secular organizations that have absolutely nothing to do with the apostolic message.
Are you anti-organizational?
He is indeed worthy.
There is scripture though for giving honor to men...
Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.
1Co 12:23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honorable, upon these we bestow more abundant honor; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
1Ti 5:17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially they who labor in the word and doctrine.
1Pe 2:17 Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.
God bless.
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Your scripture is meaningless in trying to prove YOUR point. All it proves is that God honors man-made organizations!
" Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor."
This verse can apply just as well to the elected president of our current 4-H chapter.
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08-21-2008, 10:35 PM
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Re: PEAK first WPF Youth Conference
I still don´t think GOD had anything to do with it in the sense that it is His plan for there to be a UPC or WWF..It is God`s plan that there be a church. He left no organization He left a plan for a church...a body of believers.
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08-21-2008, 10:36 PM
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Re: PEAK first WPF Youth Conference
Please understand I am not saying you can or cannot belong I am just saying I see the Bible teaching a body of believers...
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08-21-2008, 10:37 PM
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Re: PEAK first WPF Youth Conference
and I am not trying to fuss with you OP...that is just my opinion.
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08-21-2008, 11:25 PM
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Re: PEAK first WPF Youth Conference
Woo-hoo, Sis. A. speaking with some boldness! Good to see a like minded sister, I'll have to visit you all in Brazil some day, my pastor is going to Brazil this September. Another inde... I mean, apostolic believer (notice the Bible didn't tell us to be "independents" that's just the label given to those of us who don't join the orgs that also aren't authorized by the Word)!
GOD BLESS!
Bro. Alex
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08-22-2008, 04:51 AM
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Re: PEAK first WPF Youth Conference
Looks like you would have had a problem with the worship at the Temple. Solomon brought out the heavy artillery at the temple dedication. If lights and smoke were available back then he would have used it.
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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge
We all have a right to voice our concerns. And we have a right to call things wrong when we percieve it as such. Fog machines and strobe lights DO NOT Belong in the Sanctuary. When the upci youth conferences started using them, was when a lot of churches started teaching and preaching against them. Get over it. The WPF is not going away and will continue naming the sins and the weights which can so easily beset us.
The posts that you are responding to are from young people who had a great experience at a conference. Lets just focus on that. No hard feelings, but everybody bashes the WPF on here, and I am done tolerating it.
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08-22-2008, 09:12 AM
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Sister Alvear
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Re: PEAK first WPF Youth Conference
I know of no independents in Brazil except Brazilian groups. If Americans are involved they usually belong to something. I am not against the UPC but that does not mean I am for or against any Organization.
I am not a political person...and in 40 years of ministry I have yet to see an organization that does not have politics of some kind.
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08-22-2008, 10:27 AM
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Re: PEAK first WPF Youth Conference
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I still don´t think GOD had anything to do with it in the sense that it is His plan for there to be a UPC or WWF..It is God`s plan that there be a church. He left no organization He left a plan for a church...a body of believers.
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Hmmmm, so what will you call this new religion of yours.....this "Body of Believers"? Christians? Can we DO that? Is it ALLOWED????
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08-22-2008, 10:39 AM
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Re: PEAK first WPF Youth Conference
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Looks like you would have had a problem with the worship at the Temple. Solomon brought out the heavy artillery at the temple dedication. If lights and smoke were available back then he would have used it.
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I think that is just the point! He did NOT (you think they didnt have lights and smoke???) No what was so glorious about the dedication of the temple was not MAN MADE lights and smoke, but the SUPERNATURAL move and manifestation of the Holy Ghost! What many lament in regard to this whole theme is often poorly articulated but I would say they really discern and in many cases it is more than evident, that the next generation of pentecost is receiving a high tech (read strobe lights, smoke machines, disco ball) man made substitute for a genuine move of God. it would be better addressed in asking WHY so many saints of God DO feel troubled by these things. I dont feel they have stated their case very well, and it DOES appear that the many times they mention the move into technology it appears as though technology scares them when nothing could be farther from the truth. What scares them is a generation of Pentecostal young people who in more and more areas have NEVER had a dream from the Lord, NEVER been used in Tongues and Interpretation , Prophesy, a word of knowledge or wisdom, etc etc. Now WHOSE fault that is would be a MOST interesting subject for discussion I think that THEY might be MOST surprised at the outcome.
But the above post demonstrates exactly what they are afraid of, expressions of how man made technology would be used and NO mention or intimation that the most important part of that whole story alluded to was the Shekinah Glory that came down (And that we are still speaking about over two thousand years later!) not man made manufactured substitues for it.
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08-22-2008, 01:43 PM
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Re: PEAK first WPF Youth Conference
This whole premise of calling lights....fog...and other sundry items is almost laughable....
I have been in one of the church's of the leadership/pioneer of the WPF...they use the Stick Ministry...Deaf Praise and Drama...and video....with lights...Fog....and everything else.....just like the other churches....
I don't see you criticizing them????
The point is you are either echoing somebody's pulpit or just a complainer.... either of the two would probably fit....
I for one am glad they had a tremendous time in Tulsa.... that is great.....
I am also glad for churches who use unorthodox methods to win other young people to the Lord...and give their young people a chance to express themselves!!....
Some of you guys should preach overseas on the Islands and watch the Kids dance and worship with their whistles.... and come in the sanctuary... it is absolutely beautiful...but I know if you stayed any length of time they would come to know HOW undodly they are and buy a suit, put on a tie so they could fit in....
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