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Old 01-09-2019, 09:47 AM
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Re: Revelation 18

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This has inspired me to do a study on Mystery Babylon. Lord willing, I'll be presenting it this next Sabbath, and I'll post the notes here in this thread.
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Re: Revelation 18

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The time it takes for the prophecies to come to past quite often is embedded in the context.




Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev_1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear THE WORDS OF THIS PROPHECY, and keep those things which are written therein: for THE TIME IS AT HAND.

Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and SEALED TILL THE TIME OF THE END.
And then…
Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, SEAL NOT the sayings of the prophecy of this book: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.


1Jn 2:18 Little children, IT IS THE LAST TIME: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, EVEN NOW are there many antichrists; whereby WE KNOW THAT IT IS THE LAST TIME.

All I know is what the Apostles knew, and if they are wrong, then the Bible is wrong, as they declared multiple times they were in the last days/times.

They are correct.

And just a side note regarding "time texts" and "last days" terminology as used in Scripture.

Genesis 49:1 begins a prophecy by Jacob concerning what would happen to his sons "in the last days". This extended prophecy includes such things as Simon and Levi being scattered in Israel. Yet, neither Simeon nor Levi were scattered at all. Rather, their descendants were. Moreover, that scattering of Levi took place during the Conquest. The scattering of Simeon occurred during the centuries that followed.

From this we learn that:

1. The last days began around the time of the Exodus and Conquest of Canaan.

2. Prophecies made to persons concerning them specifically are often fulfilled centuries later in their descendants.

3. There are more than one "last days".
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I don't think it has happened yet, either.
It isn't speaking of the city of Babylon belonging to Nebuchaddrezar which remains uninhabited.
It is in reference to a real, existing city at that time. I think Rome.
Rome still exists and isn't completely abandoned, therefore it hasn't happened yet.
Not Jerusalem 70ad, since Jerusalem is still inhabited. And Jesus is coming back to rule over an uninhabited city.

Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great
t men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
The inhabited is speaking to the originals "Judean, and Israeli remnant. lineages who are no longer are around to voice their opinions. The economic power is the fertile crescent which Israel was the capstone of agriculture. Hence the reason why all empires from Babylon to Rome wanted it.

So, did anyone figure out what economic power Revelation is speaking of if it is yet in the future?
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And just a side note regarding "time texts" and "last days" terminology as used in Scripture.

Genesis 49:1 begins a prophecy by Jacob concerning what would happen to his sons "in the last days". This extended prophecy includes such things as Simon and Levi being scattered in Israel. Yet, neither Simeon nor Levi were scattered at all. Rather, their descendants were. Moreover, that scattering of Levi took place during the Conquest. The scattering of Simeon occurred during the centuries that followed.

From this we learn that:

1. The last days began around the time of the Exodus and Conquest of Canaan.

2. Prophecies made to persons concerning them specifically are often fulfilled centuries later in their descendants.

3. There are more than one "last days".
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As for the identity of the Two Witnesses, the Bible tells us quite a bit.

They aren't just witnesses, but "My" witnesses, that is, God's. Whom does God say are His witnesses?

Isaiah 43:10, 43:12, and 44:8 specify that the sons of Jacob are God's witnesses in this world as to His Sovereignty and Lordship.

The sons of Jacob consisted of two Houses: The House of Judah, consisting of the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin and some of Levi, and the House of Israel, consisting of the other ten tribes led by Ephraim. And thus the House of Israel was also called Ephraim, and Joseph, after the predominant tribe, just as the House of Judah was called Judah after its predominant tribe.

The Two Houses were to be joined together as one under Messiah. The Two Witnesses are new covenant witnesses (as per the context of Revelation and the NT, because apart from Christ one is not a witness for God).

The reuniting of both Houses under Messiah to proclaim His truth to the nations is a major theme in Bible prophecy, both old and new testaments.

Jeremiah 11:16 calls Judah God's planted "green olive tree". Since God also planted the House of Israel, they too would be one of God's "olive trees". Thus God's two olive trees connected with being a witness to Him.

In Zechariah, the seer has a vision of a candlestick, and two olive trees on either side of it. The candlestick is essentially a menorah, seven lamped, and represents the light of God's truth. The two olive trees are witnesses of God's truth, and the oil that supplies the candlestick so it may be lit and give light originates from the olive trees. Thus the anointing OIL that is in the olive trees is the anointing upon the two witnesses by means of which the light of God's Word and Truth shines forth in this world.

The two anointed ones are the Houses of Israel and Judah, as it written in Psalm 105, where the people of God are identified as Jehovah's anointed. Anointing is for priesthood, and kingship. As Israel was called to be a kingdom of priests (Ex 19:6), and as the two Houses were together Jehovah's Dominion (kingship) and Sanctuary (priesthood) in this earth - Psalm 114:1-2.

The House of Israel was divorced by God for their idolatries and declared to not be His people (Hosea 1:9). This made them "gentiles". But they were prophesied to one day be called "sons of the living God" (Hosea 1:10) and would be joined together with Judah under Messiah (Hosea 1:11) as one people. Paul said this was being fulfilled in his day (Romans 9:25-26).

So the Two Witnesses are an apocalyptic representation of New Covenant Israel speaking forth the Word of God and pronouncing the Divine Judgments of God upon the heathen. They are two Houses, olive trees, planted by God, anointed as kings and priests by identification with Christ their Priest-King, representing God to an unbelieving world.


I see the heathen as those who rejected Christ.

Those who rejected the apostles teachings.

Those who killed all who were sent to the vineyard, and finally cast out the son to murder Him.
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