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Old 04-04-2019, 09:01 PM
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This does not sound right
Did you review his list of manuscripts? Is he in error? Or did I misunderstand some of what he was saying?
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Did you review his list of manuscripts? Is he in error? Or did I misunderstand some of what he was saying?
He compares the Speculum to Vaticanus. The Speculum is an important witness, however it is Latin. It may not be quite that early, but that is true for Vaticanus as well, which is quite likely dated too early.

You added the "Greek manuscrip" aspect to the description.
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He compares the Speculum to Vaticanus. The Speculum is an important witness, however it is Latin. It may not be quite that early, but that is true for Vaticanus as well, which is quite likely dated too early.

You added the "Greek manuscrip" aspect to the description.
Ah, I see what I did. Those are several Latin manuscripts he refers to, not Greek. My bad.
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You all are making Oneness doctrine totally complicated. Reducing it to mere Unitarianism. I rejoice that the Oneness teaching that brought me into Oneness was clear cut, hard hitting, and to the point.

If Jesus is NOT the Father he isn't God period.
I am sure the Bible is complicate to you Dont take me wrong, i dont say that proudly , i just understand this ,because from all that conversation your conclusion was "If Jesus is NOT the Father he isn't God period" who said that?
At first you thought the irrelevant thing that i am from Clinton ministry (?) Why?
And now you think i dont believe Jesus is the Father?
Well what i said is what all church believe, not any Clinton or Obama Listen to that and tell me brother:
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I'm usually refuting this verse to Trinitarians. I would never need nor use that verse for Oneness
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:15 AM
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the beautiful heavenly witnesses verse

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I would never need nor use that verse for Oneness
A verse does not become scripture based on what you think you “need” or can “use”,

Simply by the sovereign hand of God.

We need to let scripture inform our doctrine, rather than allow our doctrinal boxes to try to deform scripture.
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