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View Poll Results: Do you support marriage privatization?
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:19 PM
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Re: Marriage Privatization:

A license from the state, to do anything which is a natural right because you are a living human, is the state selling your rights back to you. Like taxation it is theft.

I kinda like this Quaker idea.
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Old 05-28-2018, 08:45 AM
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A mariage license is a voluntary contract one enters with secular government. Giving the secuar government jurisdiction over the marriage. A secular intenty becomes head of this secular marriage.



Same sex marriage is a legal marriage mainly because secular government has declared it to be so.
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Old 05-28-2018, 12:51 PM
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A mariage license is a voluntary contract one enters with secular government. Giving the secuar government jurisdiction over the marriage. A secular intenty becomes head of this secular marriage.



Same sex marriage is a legal marriage mainly because secular government has declared it to be so.
Then the individuals who don't have a legal binding secular marriage split up. Someone wants part of the house, guess what? Someone is going to lose and lose big. The Bible is where we get contract law, and funny how everyone wants to get spiritual until money and property is involved. The secular government is still going to recognize the children as being the fruit of the relationship. Will also determine the guardian parent the one who will collect monies from child support. Whether you wanted to get a marriage license or not Child support has no statute of limitations. Same sex marriage being legalized is a Johnny come lately, and holds no bearing on the discussion. People don't get marriage papers for varying reasons sometimes motivated from what they can gain from "secular government" as monies.
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Old 05-28-2018, 07:14 PM
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Re: Marriage Privatization:

Cohabitation agreements, powers of attorney, wills, etc. can secure most of the rights couples in civil marriages have. And these can be chosen and tailored to meet the needs, beliefs, and convictions of each individual couple instead of the cookie cutter civil contract that the state offers. Quakers have used these with success for generations.

It was asked, what if someone wanted part of the house? If it isn't stipulated in the cohabitation agreement, sorry, it can't be had. This allows individuals to protect their assets from those who would use civil statutes of civil marriage to take them to the cleaners, requiring complete liquidation of assets, and any arbitrary 50/50 division statute.

So, this form of union obviously requires more communication and planning to form. Which is actually a good thing.

But EB is right, the state has authority to handle issues like custody and child support, civil marriage or not, if couples don't agree to terms privately it through arbitration.

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Re: Marriage Privatization:

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A mariage license is a voluntary contract one enters with secular government. Giving the secuar government jurisdiction over the marriage. A secular intenty becomes head of this secular marriage.



Same sex marriage is a legal marriage mainly because secular government has declared it to be so.
Society has practically obliterated marriage by 1) ignoring God's Word, then 2) trying to "solve" the problems created by #1.

A couple intent on obeying God who study the Word and act accordingly will have little to no "legal issues" whereas a couple not doing such will have an unending supply of issues to deal with. License or not.
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Society has practically obliterated marriage by 1) ignoring God's Word, then 2) trying to "solve" the problems created by #1.

A couple intent on obeying God who study the Word and act accordingly will have little to no "legal issues" whereas a couple not doing such will have an unending supply of issues to deal with. License or not.
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Society has practically obliterated marriage by 1) ignoring God's Word, then 2) trying to "solve" the problems created by #1.

A couple intent on obeying God who study the Word and act accordingly will have little to no "legal issues" whereas a couple not doing such will have an unending supply of issues to deal with. License or not.
Now, that gets a hearty "Amen!" from me.
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Old 05-29-2018, 11:29 AM
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Society has practically obliterated marriage by 1) ignoring God's Word, then 2) trying to "solve" the problems created by #1.

A couple intent on obeying God who study the Word and act accordingly will have little to no "legal issues" whereas a couple not doing such will have an unending supply of issues to deal with. License or not.
This is correct.
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Old 05-31-2018, 10:17 AM
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The problem only become evident when one party isn't obeying God and they get a good attorney and set out to take you for all they can. You end up losing half of everything, half of your Social Security, paying attorney's fees, paying court costs, being put under a microscope because of your religious devotion, and even have to pay spousal support to fund her new party lifestyle because she's used to a certain standard of living.... and you were the "innocent" party.

But, such is divorce court.
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Old 06-03-2018, 01:05 PM
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The problem only become evident when one party isn't obeying God and they get a good attorney and set out to take you for all they can. You end up losing half of everything, half of your Social Security, paying attorney's fees, paying court costs, being put under a microscope because of your religious devotion, and even have to pay spousal support to fund her new party lifestyle because she's used to a certain standard of living.... and you were the "innocent" party.

But, such is divorce court.

For me, despite the oooz and the aahhs. It remaiins a Voluntary contract making secular government the overseer. There is no penalty for not having a marriage license (contract) in Indiana.



It's a money making scam for secular government and it's lawyers. Some estimates are as high as 50.000.000.000 dollar industry.



It has wrecked havoc on the MAN and children as well.
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