Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
The blood was shed at Calvary.
If the blood was applied at the cross to my heart (this is where the washing takes place), then I was forgiven before I ever believed, repented, and was baptized.
hmmm, now you are making me think. Truly, when are our sins forgiven.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by staysharp
You were forgiven before the foundation of the world. Christs' forgiveness has nothing to do with you accepting His gift. I can forgive you before you offend me, while you are offending me and after you offend me.
We can only come into relationship if you receive my gift to you. The blood was applied at Calvary, now its up to humanity to accept and receive the gift Christ offered for us; his own body on a tree.
Here are just a few scriptures, many more on this subject.
Matthew 25:34
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Hebrews 4:3
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Hebrews 9
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
You beat me too it!!! This is what I was going to ask. When you really get down to it our sins are already forgiven and the price has been paid. We must accept what Christ has done for us. This is the power of the gospel.
Our repentance and faith allows us to enter into a covenant relationship with Christ.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by Aquila
Bro. David K. Bernard wrote about how Justification, Regeneration, Adoption, and Sanctification all work together for the salvation of the individual in his book, The New Birth. I believe it's chapter 13.
Lol, I asked for scripture, not David Bernard's book. I want to know if YOU have scripture.
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
The writers of the Scriptures dictate the meaning ... not translators ...
they used one word for both forgivenes and remission ... aphesis.
There is no separation. You will not see this in the NIV, ESV, NASB or even in the Spanish RVA
It is for this reason that Bernard, and maybe even, Mizpeh ... have to include repentance + baptism = aphesis/forgiveness/remission ...
to remain true to the Word.
So what are you saying? That you disagree with the translators? Or that you agree that repentance and baptism work together to bring about forgiveness? IF both use the same word, then baptism DOES bring about forgiveness/remission and would be necessary. Right?
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
Lol, I asked for scripture, not David Bernard's book. I want to know if YOU have scripture.
Ok, so the manual isn't scripture, and now you are saying DB's book isn't scripture. Next thing you'll be saying is that AOF isn't scripture and Haneywood isn't the Holiest of Holies!!
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
Here we go. There was a little girl who went out to play in her brand new dress. She saw a mud puddle and thought "Why not?" and jumped right in. She got her dress filthy. Realizing the wrong she had done, she went to her father in tears of true remorse, saying "Daddy please forgive me!"(repentance). Her dad's heart melts and he says "I forgive you."(forgiveness of sin). She is forgiven and won't be punished, but her dress is still filthy and is not presentable. Her dad would still be ashamed of her in public. Her dad then washes the dress with a healthy dose of spray-n-wash(baptism), and the dress comes out sparkling clean(remission of sin). He then plants a device in the dress(Spirit) that sounds an audible and visible alarm whenever she goes near the mud again(power over sin).
Repentance= forgiveness of sin
Water Baptism in Jesus' Name= remission(washing away) of sin
Holy Spirit Baptism= power over sin
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by deltaguitar
hmmm, now you are making me think. Truly, when are our sins forgiven.
Don't be deceived,there are many deceivers in the world who twist God's word because they don't understand.Our sins are forgiven before the foundation of the world because God had a plan then to send his Son.His Son is the word of God and there is forgiveness of sins only in the word when a person obeys the word.
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