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Old 09-09-2020, 04:31 PM
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The Man Of Sin-King Of The North

Lets look at what Paul said about THE MAN of sin.

The Man of Sin

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

The extent of Pauls description of this man is that he EXALTS HIMSELF above all that is called God. I believe we can pinpoint this man in the book of Daniel.

Daniel is taught of an angel things concerning the end of days. He tells him of one called the "king of the north". Watch how he is described to Daniel.

Daniel 11:37-38

36And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

When you go back now and read Pauls description of the man of sin it could not sound anymore the same.

While Im sure the time frame here will be called into question there can be no doubt that it happens in the same time frame of the great tribulation and the resurrection of the dead.

The following verses add to our knowledge of this evil king.

Dan. 11:38-44

38But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. 39Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. 41He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 42He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. 44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

Verse 45 may be of special interest a bit later.

45And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Now take note that in this very context of things the verses that follow.

Daniel 12:1-4

1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

So obviously the time frame is of the great tribulation and the resurrection of the dead. Seeing from our viewpoint of today we can see that this evil king of the north is the one Paul is writing about in his epistle.

The man of sin sitting in the temple/sanctuary of God showing himself that HE IS GOD.
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Excellent post. I saved it for my own studies if you don't mind.
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So who is the King of the South?
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Why not stay here for a little while before moving on? Can you see the parallel between Daniels king and Pauls man of sin? And how close it is to the great tribulation and the resurrection?
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So who is the King of the South?
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Why not stay here for a little while before moving on? Can you see the parallel between Daniels king and Pauls man of sin? And how close it is to the great tribulation and the resurrection?
I'll take that as an "I don't know".
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Wikipedia:

Daniel's final vision is set in "the third year of Cyrus, king of Persia": this marks 70 years since Daniel's own captivity began (606 BCE), and thus the fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophecy that the exile would last 70 years.[18] Chapter 11, the centre-piece of the revelation, gives a broad sweep of history from the 6th century BCE to the 2nd, but the coverage is uneven: two centuries of Persian history plus Alexander the Great's conquests and the breakup of his empire, over two and a half centuries of history, are covered in three verses (2–4), but the century and a half of wars between the Ptolemies of Egypt and the Seleucids of Syria receive 16 verses (5–20), and the reign of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, which lasted less than ten years, gets 25 (21–45).[12]

Verses 20–39, the bulk of the historically accurate verses, deal with Antiochus, who reigned 175–164 BCE. Verse 21 describes him as "the contemptible person to whom royal majesty has not been given", meaning that he came to the throne by questionable means. Verse 22 notes his removal of the High Priest Onias III, (Antiochus sold the priesthood twice over, first to a relative of Onias named Jason, and then to a rival of Jason's named Menelaus), and verses 23–24 apparently refer to his liberality in scattering the spoils among his supporters. Verses 25–28 describe his first war with Egypt, in 170 BCE, in which he was largely but not entirely successful. In 169, on his way back to Syria, he stopped in Jerusalem to plunder the Temple (verse 28).[19]

In 168 Antiochus invaded Egypt again, but this time he was stopped by the Romans (the "ships of Kittim") and forced to retreat (verses 29–30).[Notes 3] Verses 30–31 describe the events that followed: passing once more through Jerusalem, Antiochus instituted a persecution of Jewish customs and religion, desecrated the Temple, and established a garrison there. Verses 32–39 describe the response of "the wise" (the group associated with the Book of Daniel) and "the many" (the population at large): the wise suffer and die so that the many will understand.[20][21] In time the faithful receive "a little help" (possibly, but not certainly, a reference to Judas Maccabeus, who led an armed revolt against the Greeks).[22] Verses 36–39 carry Antiochus's history to the cosmic plane, detailing the blasphemy of the tyrant who considered himself a demi-god. He "spoke astonishing things against the God of gods" and gave "no heed to the god of his fathers".[23]

Verses 40–45 finish the chapter with the prophecy that Antiochus would make war once again against Egypt, and would die in Judea.[20] In the event this did not happen: there was no third war and Antiochus died in Persia or in Babylon.[24]
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The beasts/empires in Daniel's vision:

the Babylonian Empire
the Medo-Persian Empire
the Greek Empire
the Roman Empire

The prophecies are relevant to the Greco Roman world.

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The Roman empire is now represented as the ecclesiastic Roman empire. It did not end, but is stronger than ever, boasting over 1 billion followers. It is the iron/clay mix.
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The Roman empire is now represented as the ecclesiastic Roman empire. It did not end, but is stronger than ever, boasting over 1 billion followers. It is the iron/clay mix.
Ok, yet in the wikipedia article you can see the king of the north and south clearly..

The Seleucids (king of the North) and the Ptolemies (king of the South)
The two major powers that existed to the south and north of Jerusalem after the death of Alexander the Great were Egypt to the south (with its kings referred to as Ptolemy) and Syria to the north (with its kings referred to as Seleucus or Antiochus).

There will be other examples of the antichrist and the abomination of desloation

There are many antichrists not just one

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