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[aak1972]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

If it is so black and white then why do we have almost no history of an Acts 2:38 plan of salvation since the first century and why does only about .05% of Christianity agree with this viewpoint?

Well let me rephrase that. It is that clear to me. I was raised UPC and it was crammed down my throat. But one day while studying the Bible using a chronoligical guide it hit me. Now I still have questions about the mandatory issue of tongues. Acts 2:38 says the Holy Ghost is a gift. I have seen way too many people go to a UPC alter and leave without speaking in tongues never to return. I have seen them pray fo hours and days. To me this makes no sense.

[berkeley]

I needed a good laugh. Great thread.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by aak1972

Well let me rephrase that. It is that clear to me. I was raised UPC and it was crammed down my throat. But one day while studying the Bible using a chronoligical guide it hit me. Now I still have questions about the mandatory issue of tongues. Acts 2:38 says the Holy Ghost is a gift. I have seen way too many people go to a UPC alter and leave without speaking in tongues never to return. I have seen them pray fo hours and days. To me this makes no sense.

Right, if something is a gift why in the world should we struggle and struggle to speak in tongues. This was also crammed down my throat for years and I suffered much because I never thought I was good enough for God's blessing. Trust me, this brought about a lot of anger because I would see these folks who didn't follow the rules and weren't good christians shouting and dancing and speaking in tongues and considered "spiritual" while I wasn't even saved because I couldn't speak in tongues.

Yep, a lot of twisted stuff went on in my church growing up.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Right, if something is a gift why in the world should we struggle and struggle to speak in tongues. This was also crammed down my throat for years and I suffered much because I never thought I was good enough for God's blessing. Trust me, this brought about a lot of anger because I would see these folks who didn't follow the rules and weren't good christians shouting and dancing and speaking in tongues and considered "spiritual" while I wasn't even saved because I couldn't speak in tongues.

Yep, a lot of twisted stuff went on in my church growing up.

Do you speak in tongues now?


I will paraphrase what Jesus said. "If your belief in me has a scriptural basis, out of your innermost being shall flow rivers of life."
For me, this did not come when I accepted the Lord as my personal savior.
This came with the tongues.

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

If it is so black and white then why do we have almost no history of an Acts 2:38 plan of salvation since the first century and why does only about .05% of Christianity agree with this viewpoint?

deltaguitar....

how did the Apostles baptize?


BTW, did you make up that .5% statistic?
I find it hard to believe that 24 millions plus Oneness Pentecostals accounts for only .5%

[ChicagoPastor]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Right, if something is a gift why in the world should we struggle and struggle to speak in tongues. This was also crammed down my throat for years and I suffered much because I never thought I was good enough for God's blessing. Trust me, this brought about a lot of anger because I would see these folks who didn't follow the rules and weren't good christians shouting and dancing and speaking in tongues and considered "spiritual" while I wasn't even saved because I couldn't speak in tongues.

Yep, a lot of twisted stuff went on in my church growing up.

what or who caused your church to have trouble?

[Pastor Keith]

By the way it is a good message, amazing people get caught up in the why, should and ifs he should have preached there. Lose sight that it was amazing word that is needed today.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

deltaguitar....

how did the Apostles baptize?


BTW, did you make up that .5% statistic?
I find it hard to believe that 24 millions plus Oneness Pentecostals accounts for only .5%

Is there really 24 million Oneness Pentecostals that believe only in salvation through Baptism and speaking in tongues?

I don't know the population of Christianity but even if you can find 24 million Oneness Pentecostals that only represents .004% of the world population.

OK, I just did a google search and there are an estimated 2.1 billion Christians in the world. So, Oneness Pentecostalism accounts for about .011428% of the Christian population.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

Do you speak in tongues now?


I will paraphrase what Jesus said. "If your belief in me has a scriptural basis, out of your innermost being shall flow rivers of life."
For me, this did not come when I accepted the Lord as my personal savior.
This came with the tongues.

I don't know if I speak in tongues. I wouldn't go to a church where people didn't believe in the operation of the spiritual gifts. However, I can't honestly say that I have ever spoke in tongues where there was a definite language coming from me. At times I have felt my tongue become loose or possible speaking a few words in tongues but I don't speak in tongues. I have however felt the power of God and I would say that I have experienced the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.

[Amos]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I don't know if I speak in tongues. I wouldn't go to a church where people didn't believe in the operation of the spiritual gifts. However, I can't honestly say that I have ever spoke in tongues where there was a definite language coming from me. At times I have felt my tongue become loose or possible speaking a few words in tongues but I don't speak in tongues. I have however felt the power of God and I would say that I have experienced the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.

This explains a lot.