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Old 02-02-2017, 06:44 PM
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1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

According to this scripture, who is "the true God?"
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Old 02-02-2017, 07:26 PM
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Re: True God

Let me try to break this verse down:

Son of God is come - Jesus
Jesus, the Son of God has given us understanding
Jesus, the Son of God gave understanding to know Him that is true
We are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus, which Jesus gave us understanding to know Him
This is the true God which Jesus gave us understanding to know Him.


Jesus is the Son of the One True God. The humanity of Jesus gave him sonship, but the Deity of Jesus is what gives us understanding to know him as God.
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Old 02-02-2017, 07:34 PM
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1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

According to this scripture, who is "the true God?"
Grammatically, I believe it indicates that "his Son Jesus Christ" is "the true God" and "eternal life".
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Re: True God

Not to side track the thread, but what is the purpose of Paul writing time and time again, separation between God the father and Jesus Christ as in this example:


Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Rom 1


He did it often, and definitely unlike oneness Pentecostals lango.

Why is that, and what was his purpose?


Instead of always greeting with praise the Lord Saints, why not greet with Grace and peace from God our father and the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father?
2 John 1:3


That road to Damascus trip must not have sunken all the way in his head?
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Old 02-03-2017, 09:20 PM
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Not to side track the thread, but what is the purpose of Paul writing time and time again, separation between God the father and Jesus Christ as in this example:


Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Rom 1


He did it often, and definitely unlike oneness Pentecostals lango.

Why is that, and what was his purpose?


Instead of always greeting with praise the Lord Saints, why not greet with Grace and peace from God our father and the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father?
2 John 1:3
Not separation, distinction. While as God, He is our heavenly Father. However, as a man, He is our high priest and intercessor. You may want to visit the Jesus had humanity thread, where it's discussed more in detail.

And just an FYI, but it's 'lingo', not 'lango'.
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Not to side track the thread, but what is the purpose of Paul writing time and time again, separation between God the father and Jesus Christ as in this example:


Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Rom 1


He did it often, and definitely unlike oneness Pentecostals lango.

Why is that, and what was his purpose?


Instead of always greeting with praise the Lord Saints, why not greet with Grace and peace from God our father and the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father?
2 John 1:3
Perhaps you have a limited sample size re Oneness "lango"?

I started a thread on the "praise the Lord vs grace and peace to you" thing not too long ago. Went over like the Hindenburg.

About Paul's separation. It is seen throughout the whole NT, even in John's writings. Why? Because the early Christians did not think of Jesus in terms of a supernal, divine being in a mere humanoid body, but rather they thought of Him as the man from Galilee, the Son of God, manifesting the life and wisdom and love of the Father to us and for us. Theologically they were aware of His "godhead" but He was first and foremost a genuine human being. So I think their perspective was a bit different than ours today, as it commonly appears. People today see Him as "God, who became a man" but they saw Him as "The Man, who is also albeit mysteriously our God."
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Re: True God

Here a link to an interlinear version:

http://biblehub.com/interlinear/1_john/5-20.htm

The personal/possessive pronoun "his", from the phrase "even in his Son Jesus Christ" is autou and literally means "of him", and is a referent back to "him that is true", that is, that Jesus Christ is the Son of the One who is true, and therefore, in the final clause, the "true God" is the One of whom Jesus Christ is His Son, the One who is true, the One the Son of God has come to give us an understanding of.

This is a clear reference therefore to God the Father, and hearkens back to John 17:3 (and to a lesser degree, John 1:18). Having knowledge of God the Father, that He is the True God, and of Jesus His Son, Whom the Father Sent, is eternal life.
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Re: True God

Something to maybe consider the word "true" in a King James old English setting doesn't just mean the opposite of false.

In different contexts I've seen it used like...

A true friend
The Arrow was aimed true

Don't know if that helps or if I'm missing the point of the post.
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Re: True God

Yes for me is a little tricky. I read it like "He (the god that the Son reveal) is the true God and the eternal life."
But if you look carefully in the same letter of John chapter 1 :
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen [it], and bear witness, and shew unto you that ETERNAL LIFE, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
Who is the eternal life that manifested ?
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Re: True God

just mean the opposite of false.
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