Did Jesus Christ Have The Ability To Sin ?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

And we need to deny self so fully so that the Father is also influencing us to the same extent! IT IS POSSIBLE! That is why Jesus said we shall do His works since He would go to the Same Father that indwelt Him and enabled Him to do those works. And notice that Jesus also said that going to the Father would allow the comforter to be sent to us! THE SPIRIT IN US! And it is all associated with DOING THE WORKS JESUS DID!

If we walk in the Spirit THEN WE CANNOT SIN.



But when we cease walking in the Spirit, and reconvene a walk in the flesh WE WILL SIN. SAME WITH JESUS.

Possible? Yes. Probable? No. Just read Rom. 7. That was NOT present in the nature of Jesus. Your thesis is "IF" there was NO "IF" to Jesus it was impossible for Him not to walk in the Spirit He was the Spirit INCARNATE.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Adam was no the HOUSE for God. Yes his blood came from God but in Jesus birth the conception(thus not divine flesh doctrine) was made possible by God Himself impregnating Mary with His own blood thus the Word BECAME flesh. INCARNATION not just an indwelling! In the Tabernacle the veil was fine ENTWINED lined God and man fused together as the ONLY begotten Son.

A sinless nature not a sinful nature.

Adam had no sinful nature before the fall. THAT WAS EXACTLTY the sort of flesh Jesus came in.

If you say God had his own blood and impregnated Mary, then that blood is divine, which is exactly what the divine flesh people teach. You say there is a BLOOD NOT OF THIS WORLD that Jesus had. If it is not of this world, then it is divine and from heaven. That is exactly what divine flesh people teach.

And though Adam was not God incarnate, had Adam eaten of the fruit of life, God's life would be in him just as we have the Spirit in us. JESUS IS LIFE.

But the point is that whether or not Adam had not God in Him, while Jesus did, both HAD THE SAME SINLESS FLESH. And it is that FLESH that allowed both Eve and Jesus to be tempted.

Again, you miss the whole universe of how to live righteously by not seeking justification in flesh, but in Spirit instead, as exemplified by God incarnate.

Brother why does Gal 5:16 exist???? It is our key to cease sinning. Everytime Jesus explained why He was able to succeed as He did, He stated things THAT ARE TRUE FOR US. HE NEVER SAID HE SUCCEEDED BECAUSE HE WAS GOD, BUT BECAUSE HIS HUMANITY RELIED ON THE INDWELLING SPIRIT, JUST AS WE CAN DO!

What saith the scriptures????

[H2H]

Taking this a bit further... For those who say Jesus could have sinned, let's say he did sin - then what?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Possible? Yes. Probable? No. Just read Rom. 7. That was NOT present in the nature of Jesus. Your thesis is "IF" there was NO "IF" to Jesus it was impossible for Him not to walk in the Spirit He was the Spirit INCARNATE.

Wrong. the bible never says that was the key to His victory... being God incarnate. It says the same things that we can fulfill... He did what he did because He relied not on Himself, but on the Father in Him!

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That is not the point. Jesus is the LAST ADAM. It matters not if Jesus was God incarnate in this issue. It matters if he had flesh like us or not.

Otherwise, HE WAS NO EXAMPLE! And we miss all the purposes of why He said He did nothing without the Father in Him doing the works. That is just our position, as well. We have GOD IN US. And we can therefore walk after that Spirit like Jesus did and succeed.

However, success is a relative term and on this side of eternity we will never come close to the life He lived....our success lies in how consistently we bear much fruit in our lives in order to bring greater glory to God...that is our goal and that is what we strive for....we strive for perfection to bring glory to God though never quite grasping it...in that regard, we become successful...but again, this is a relative term.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Funny how some the harshest critics of Tek and his crowd ... are now sounding just like him!!!

Bro Tek would be shouting Bro Epley on!!!

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

NOPE the blood came from God. Acts 20:28.

The created blood of God.

You are misinterpreting that scripture, Elder...

The role of the Holy Spirit in that passage is the appointment of Elders...the blood refers to Christ and his dying on the cross.


He is a more accessible rendition:


“So guard yourselves and God’s people. Feed and shepherd God’s flock—his church, purchased with his own blood—over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you as elders."

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

However, success is a relative term and on this side of eternity we will never come close to the life He lived....our success lies in how consistently we bear much fruit in our lives in order to bring greater glory to God...that is our goal and that is what we strive for....we strive for perfection to bring glory to God though never quite grasping it...in that regard, we become successful...but again, this is a relative term.

I disagree. You are actually proposing idealism. I believe this is more than an ideal -- more than something we can only strive for but never actually attain. We can actually fully walk after the Spirit as He did, and have full victory. If not, God dangles a carrot before our faces and teases us with something we can only term "We strive for it, but can never grasp it."

These scriptures refute that:

Gal 5:16 KJV This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Rom 6:1-2 KJV What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? (2) God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom 6:6 KJV Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Rom 6:11-12 KJV Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. (12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Rom 6:14 KJV For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

1Jo 2:1 KJV My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

The whole reason Paul wrote what he did to the Romans, was because THEY KNEW NOT. God's people perish for lack of knowledge. We need to LEARN the facts of our deaths with Christ until we stop expecting to sin, and expect to live victoriously. When we realize that we really are dead to sin, faith kicks in and we expect in faith to have victory through the Spirit. AND GOD NEEDS THAT FAITH TO EMPOWER US. This is walking after the Spirit.

I really think we've missed something for years in Romans 6.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Adam had no sinful nature before the fall. THAT WAS EXACTLTY the sort of flesh Jesus came in.

If you say God had his own blood and impregnated Mary, then that blood is divine, which is exactly what the divine flesh people teach. You say there is a BLOOD NOT OF THIS WORLD that Jesus had. If it is not of this world, then it is divine and from heaven. That is exactly what divine flesh people teach.

And though Adam was not God incarnate, had Adam eaten of the fruit of life, God's life would be in him just as we have the Spirit in us. JESUS IS LIFE.

But the point is that whether or not Adam had not God in Him, while Jesus did, both HAD THE SAME SINLESS FLESH. And it is that FLESH that allowed both Eve and Jesus to be tempted.

Again, you miss the whole universe of how to live righteously by not seeking justification in flesh, but in Spirit instead, as exemplified by God incarnate.

Brother why does Gal 5:16 exist???? It is our key to cease sinning. Everytime Jesus explained why He was able to succeed as He did, He stated things THAT ARE TRUE FOR US. HE NEVER SAID HE SUCCEEDED BECAUSE HE WAS GOD, BUT BECAUSE HIS HUMANITY RELIED ON THE INDWELLING SPIRIT, JUST AS WE CAN DO!

What saith the scriptures????

You are NOT correct the Divine Flesh folks teach Jesus had NO biological connection to the human family that Mary was a incubator NOT his mother. Mary CONCIEVED thus she supplied the HUMAN egg and God supplied His won created Blood. Thus the chromosones that would have come from the male came from God and the chromosones that comes from the female came from Mary. You are building a strawman I no more believe the "Divine Flesh doctrine" than you believe the "Adam Doctrine." I know that and so do you. A pure smokescreen but I will not let you by. He was the INCARNATE God.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

You are NOT correct the Divine Flesh folks teach Jesus had NO biological connection to the human family that Mary was a incubator NOT his mother. Mary CONCIEVED thus she supplied the HUMAN egg and God supplied His won created Blood. Thus the chromosones that would have come from the male came from God and the chromosones that comes from the female came from Mary. You are building a strawman I no more believe the "Divine Flesh doctrine" than you believe the "Adam Doctrine." I know that and so do you. A pure smokescreen but I will not let you by. He was the INCARNATE God.

No strawman here .. you believe in the divine blood doctrine ...