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12-15-2012, 07:59 AM
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Why Imply No Tongues = No Salvation?
Recently, I went back to visit my former Pastor's church for Wed night service. I loved being there and loved listening to his teaching. I felt at home, and there was no pressure from people asking a whole bunch of questions. It seemed like this was where I belonged.
I can explain away, look the other way, agree to disagree with most of my objections with the doctrines of the American 21st century Apostolic churches I've had the privilege of being a member of.
However, I am having a great deal of difficulty accepting that the Bible teaches that one MUST speak in tongues in order to be saved, or to show proof that one is saved.
I find this idea simply unbiblical. I am thinking about going back to visit this Sunday morning. Part of me thinks I am setting myself up for failure and pain again, as it was a personally agonizing decision to leave in the first place.
I miss my former Pastor and my former church.
But why should I even go back to visit when I already know the deal with these precious people and their doctrine?
This thread is pointless. Been down this road mentally how many times? But I sure do miss my former Pastor.
Why do Apostolics teach that a Christian must speak in tongues in the course of one's salvation?
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12-15-2012, 09:25 AM
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Re: Why Imply No Tongues = No Salvation?
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
Recently, I went back to visit my former Pastor's church for Wed night service. I loved being there and loved listening to his teaching. I felt at home, and there was no pressure from people asking a whole bunch of questions. It seemed like this was where I belonged.
I can explain away, look the other way, agree to disagree with most of my objections with the doctrines of the American 21st century Apostolic churches I've had the privilege of being a member of.
However, I am having a great deal of difficulty accepting that the Bible teaches that one MUST speak in tongues in order to be saved, or to show proof that one is saved.
I find this idea simply unbiblical. I am thinking about going back to visit this Sunday morning. Part of me thinks I am setting myself up for failure and pain again, as it was a personally agonizing decision to leave in the first place.
I miss my former Pastor and my former church.
But why should I even go back to visit when I already know the deal with these precious people and their doctrine?
This thread is pointless. Been down this road mentally how many times? But I sure do miss my former Pastor.
Why do Apostolics teach that a Christian must speak in tongues in the course of one's salvation?
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Ask your pastor...
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12-15-2012, 09:35 AM
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Re: Why Imply No Tongues = No Salvation?
Speaking in tongues is evidence
of being baptized with the Holy Spirit.
I agree with you, it's not a requirement
for salvation.
I love (some) United Pentecostal Churches
and have good friends there.
Believe me, I know your situation.
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12-15-2012, 10:22 AM
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Re: Why Imply No Tongues = No Salvation?
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
Recently, I went back to visit my former Pastor's church for Wed night service. I loved being there and loved listening to his teaching. I felt at home, and there was no pressure from people asking a whole bunch of questions. It seemed like this was where I belonged.
I can explain away, look the other way, agree to disagree with most of my objections with the doctrines of the American 21st century Apostolic churches I've had the privilege of being a member of.
However, I am having a great deal of difficulty accepting that the Bible teaches that one MUST speak in tongues in order to be saved, or to show proof that one is saved.
I find this idea simply unbiblical. I am thinking about going back to visit this Sunday morning. Part of me thinks I am setting myself up for failure and pain again, as it was a personally agonizing decision to leave in the first place.
I miss my former Pastor and my former church.
But why should I even go back to visit when I already know the deal with these precious people and their doctrine?
This thread is pointless. Been down this road mentally how many times? But I sure do miss my former Pastor.
Why do Apostolics teach that a Christian must speak in tongues in the course of one's salvation?
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The so-called, self-labeled 'Apostolics' teach that because they do not understand, or outright reject, the redemptive power of the blood of the Lamb of God. They cannot reconcile the teaching of tongues with the sufficiency of the blood of the Lamb.
I'm using the term "salvation" as I think 'Apostolics' would use it, i.e., that the individual would not go to hell but to heaven upon death. In reality, there is a difference between redemption and salvation. But that's for another thread.
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12-15-2012, 10:33 AM
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Re: Why Imply No Tongues = No Salvation?
I understand your dilemma too. If you can just attend the church, hear the word, and not desire to be a part of the "platform" standards, perhaps you would be fine there? If they are sweet kind loving people, perhaps if you stayed off the "platform" or any kind of ministry within the church, you would be okay? I don't know the answers for you, but I certainly understand the difficulty in this decision.
Perhaps you should visit with the pastor and just be forthright and honest with him about how you feel?
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12-15-2012, 10:35 AM
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Re: Why Imply No Tongues = No Salvation?
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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord
I understand your dilemma too. If you can just attend the church, hear the word, and not desire to be a part of the "platform" standards, perhaps you would be fine there? If they are sweet kind loving people, perhaps if you stayed off the "platform" or any kind of ministry within the church, you would be okay? I don't know the answers for you, but I certainly understand the difficulty in this decision.
Perhaps you should visit with the pastor and just be forthright and honest with him about how you feel?
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That could be dangerous if he really wants to be accepted there. If he wants to go and be a part, he might be best to keep his thoughts to himself.....
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12-15-2012, 10:41 AM
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Re: Why Imply No Tongues = No Salvation?
Yep. Really a tough thing, no matter what.
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12-15-2012, 11:11 AM
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Re: Why Imply No Tongues = No Salvation?
We are connected with three UPC Churches,
two of these we still attend, not often because
of very long distance, but we go there
as much as we can.
The third one we gave up on for good.
We were told, in no uncertain terms,
we are not saved.
We are baptized with the Holy Spirit,
we speak in tongues.....
But hey....we NEED to believe as THEY do,
and confirm it's a condition for salvation.
Sad story, but true.
Apparently what Christ did on the Cross
is not enough.
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12-15-2012, 12:11 PM
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Re: Why Imply No Tongues = No Salvation?
The Bible mentions something about a dog going back to it's puke. It's not worth going back. Instead of crawling back to them. Let them come to you.
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12-15-2012, 02:39 PM
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Re: Why Imply No Tongues = No Salvation?
Even Charismatics and Trinity Pentecostals teach that tongues is the initial evidence of the Holy Spirit baptism. Apostolics are actually being consistent because scripture teaches if any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his.
I would not want to take the risk of not having a Biblical New Testament experience.
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