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01-28-2012, 09:05 AM
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Is God Egoic or Selfless?
Is God egoic? Does he have the right to be egoic or is he selfless?
Based on the verse, deep calleth unto the deep, is there a void in God that longs to be filled with relationship and worship like the void in man or does God subsist in eternal bliss without the need of men or angels for relationship and worship?
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01-28-2012, 09:16 AM
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Re: Is God Egoic or Selfless?
just off the top of my head
God's creation teaches relationship
We are all interdependent
God created marriage
Marriage is a type of Christ and the church
the church is said to be a body, with Christ as it's head
if creation is the expression of God, then God must desire relationship.
relationship that is freely given, not automated.
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01-28-2012, 09:51 AM
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Re: Is God Egoic or Selfless?
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Originally Posted by Amanah
just off the top of my head
God's creation teaches relationship
We are all interdependent
God created marriage
Marriage is a type of Christ and the church
the church is said to be a body, with Christ as it's head
if creation is the expression of God, then God must desire relationship.
relationship that is freely given, not automated.
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Amen! Kind of illuminates how God desires that an ego become selfless, if you will, but that an ego (of some definition) still exists.
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
Is God egoic? Does he have the right to be egoic or is he selfless?
Based on the verse, deep calleth unto the deep, is there a void in God that longs to be filled with relationship and worship like the void in man or does God subsist in eternal bliss without the need of men or angels for relationship and worship?
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I would suggest that the answer to this might best be "yes," from a human perspective, and note that God created evil, also, which may seem non-sequitur here, but illuminates that our best human descriptions of God will be inadequate.
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01-28-2012, 10:30 PM
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Re: Is God Egoic or Selfless?
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
Is God egoic? Does he have the right to be egoic or is he selfless?
Based on the verse, deep calleth unto the deep, is there a void in God that longs to be filled with relationship and worship like the void in man or does God subsist in eternal bliss without the need of men or angels for relationship and worship?
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Definitions please!
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-29-2012, 06:37 PM
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Re: Is God Egoic or Selfless?
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Definitions please!
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what I mean by egoic is like when God says, "there is no other God beside me, to me every knee shall bow etc. God tells us to deny ourselves and take up our cross, yet he demands attention and worship. Grant it, Christ shows selflessness in devolving of divinity and taking up humanity, poverty, suffering and ultimate death. These are selfless acts. I am trying to reconcile the selfless christ with the yahweh who demands worship. Demanding worship seems egoic to me.
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01-29-2012, 11:18 PM
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Re: Is God Egoic or Selfless?
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
what I mean by egoic is like when God says, "there is no other God beside me, to me every knee shall bow etc. God tells us to deny ourselves and take up our cross, yet he demands attention and worship. Grant it, Christ shows selflessness in devolving of divinity and taking up humanity, poverty, suffering and ultimate death. These are selfless acts. I am trying to reconcile the selfless christ with the yahweh who demands worship. Demanding worship seems egoic to me.
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He is being practical...there are no other Gods. To worship other false Gods is to be led astray. God wants us to Love Him but He wants to Love us back
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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02-17-2012, 10:29 PM
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Re: Is God Egoic or Selfless?
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
what I mean by egoic is like when God says, "there is no other God beside me, to me every knee shall bow etc. God tells us to deny ourselves and take up our cross, yet he demands attention and worship. Grant it, Christ shows selflessness in devolving of divinity and taking up humanity, poverty, suffering and ultimate death. These are selfless acts. I am trying to reconcile the selfless christ with the yahweh who demands worship. Demanding worship seems egoic to me.
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DM,
"Demanding worship seems egoic to me"..
The creature that doesn't understand its relationship to their CREATOR is the one that is egoic in demonstrating an elevated opinion of relationship between a jar of clay and the Potter. It is clearly human arrogance that asks "why GOD" would "require" obeisance or worship. The assumption that somehow we interact with God on some kind of level playing field like students in the same social engineering class is misplaced.
God is God and we are not.
Jesus Christ was our example of how a human life should live in a selfless manner. If the love of God demonstrated on the cross doesn't demand our worship then nothing else will.
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01-28-2012, 10:58 PM
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Re: Is God Egoic or Selfless?
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
does God subsist in eternal bliss without the need of men or angels for relationship and worship?
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Yes, God doesn't need us. We need HIM. Plain and simple. Anything more than that makes God less, and brings Him to the level of we humans.
He doesn't need us, we NEED Him!
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01-29-2012, 06:41 PM
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Re: Is God Egoic or Selfless?
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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord
Yes, God doesn't need us. We need HIM. Plain and simple. Anything more than that makes God less, and brings Him to the level of we humans.
He doesn't need us, we NEED Him!
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How do you interpret deep calleth unto deep? I think there may be a need in God also. Why did He create us and desire worship if he doesn't need us?
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02-13-2012, 05:08 PM
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Re: Is God Egoic or Selfless?
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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord
Yes, God doesn't need us. We need HIM. Plain and simple. Anything more than that makes God less, and brings Him to the level of we humans.
He doesn't need us, we NEED Him!
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He doesn't need us; He wants us.
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