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07-22-2020, 11:36 AM
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The Early Church Was Absolutely NOT Trinitarian
AFF wouldn't let me post the whole video title as the title for this discussion, but the whole title is:
The Early Church was Absolutely, Unequivocally NOT Trinitarian.
I've heard a few of Bro Ken Raggio's studies before. He's been to my home church two or three different times, but it's been a couple years back since we've last had him done for a visit.
Are any of you familiar with his teachings? Your thoughts?
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07-22-2020, 12:33 PM
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Re: The Early Church Was Absolutely NOT Trinitaria
Even trinitarians sometimes admit the early church wasn't trinitarian.
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07-23-2020, 06:31 AM
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Re: The Early Church Was Absolutely NOT Trinitaria
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Even trinitarians sometimes admit the early church wasn't trinitarian.
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I don't believe I've ever spoken with any that would agree with that. But that isn't saying that some don't.
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07-23-2020, 05:24 PM
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Re: The Early Church Was Absolutely NOT Trinitaria
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I don't believe I've ever spoken with any that would agree with that. But that isn't saying that some don't.
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Some trinitarian scholars admit the doctrine of the trinity was a developed doctrine. In fact, I believe that is the official position of the catholic church. Several Protestant theologians and historians acknowledge the same. The idea is that the doctrine was revealed to the church over time as it was needed.
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07-24-2020, 06:54 AM
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Re: The Early Church Was Absolutely NOT Trinitaria
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Some trinitarian scholars admit the doctrine of the trinity was a developed doctrine. In fact, I believe that is the official position of the catholic church. Several Protestant theologians and historians acknowledge the same. The idea is that the doctrine was revealed to the church over time as it was needed.
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Alright this I have heard. Some Trinitarians believe that the doctrine of the Trinity was "revelation" to the Roman Catholic church and that the Bible speaks of a God that "can only be understood in Trinitarian terms".
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07-25-2020, 05:22 PM
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Re: The Early Church Was Absolutely NOT Trinitaria
Was the Oneness of God a "revelation" at the 1913 Arroyo Seco campmeeting ?
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07-27-2020, 09:41 AM
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Re: The Early Church Was Absolutely NOT Trinitaria
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Was the Oneness of God a "revelation" at the 1913 Arroyo Seco campmeeting ?
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It may have been to some, but it certainly wasn’t a new revelation.
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07-30-2020, 01:35 PM
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Re: The Early Church Was Absolutely NOT Trinitaria
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Was the Oneness of God a "revelation" at the 1913 Arroyo Seco campmeeting ?
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It was an opening of understanding, as in here:
[ Luk 24:45 NKJV] 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
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07-31-2020, 11:19 AM
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Re: The Early Church Was Absolutely NOT Trinitaria
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It was an opening of understanding, as in here:
[ Luk 24:45 NKJV] 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
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Couldn't the same be said of Trinitarianism...after all, God HAD just come to earth and talked to everyone. Might take a minute to sort that out.
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07-31-2020, 11:27 AM
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Re: The Early Church Was Absolutely NOT Trinitaria
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Couldn't the same be said of Trinitarianism...after all, God HAD just come to earth and talked to everyone. Might take a minute to sort that out.
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Oneness uses sola-scriptura. It was an opening of understanding that was blinded for years by a learned doctrine. Oneness is Biblical Theology: what the Apostles (Jewish people) believed, not what people developed AFTER them.
Trinitarianism goes beyond the scripture. It goes to the reasoning of people theology AFTER the apostles, to come to a non-monotheist explanation of the Son of God.
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