Bishop Wright's Shame Seminar Rides Into TX

[DAII]

Bishop Chester Wright, of the famed letter denouncing "the relevants among us" , like Mark Johnston, will be riding into Texas ... primarily targeting the Houston area ... with an interesting ministerial campaign ....

See promo video here (definitely a must see) :

http://vimeo.com/20854605

This is the promotional website:
http://shameseminar.com/


This should be interesting .... looks like Rob's hosting one of these too.

Brings up some interesting topics of discussion ... do you agree with each aspect that is attributed to causing shame? What role does a legalistic or extrabiblical culture have in creating "shame"?

Is there any thing about shame that is healthy ... beneficial ... advantageous?

Is shame not part of our carnality?

I've got some other questions about the timing and targeted area of this but I will abstain for now.

[aegsm76]

I did not take the time to go see the video.
Maybe later.
I would say that shame plays an important part in any culture.
Therefore it would play a part in the church.
However, when we become a new creature, shouldn't we leave the shame behind?

[Socialite]

I didn't watch the video yet. But don't get the Shame reference.

Can you explain?

[DAII]

The Facebook Promo Video ... an all text version:

http://www.facebook.com/video/video....99494&comments

This the one that provides a checklist to diagnose if you are suffering from SHAME.


Such as ..... do you feel like you just never measure up?

Do you feel like bad things are always coming your way?

Do you struggle with worry and fear?

Do you fear rejection to the point that you avoid new relationships?

Do you lack real joy?

If you can't trust people ...

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Socialite

I didn't watch the video yet. But don't get the Shame reference.

Can you explain?

An interesting statement from the beginning of both videos is something like this:

Most people suffer from SHAME ... they think they are struggling against sin or their flesh/carnality ... IN REALITY THEY ARE SUFFERING FROM SHAME.

Another interesting sound byte from the Vimeo video is that Wright believes that one of the things holding up "Apostolic Revival" is shame and that the pouring down will happen when his people are made "whole"

[DAII]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

I did not take the time to go see the video.
Maybe later.
I would say that shame plays an important part in any culture.
Therefore it would play a part in the church.
However, when we become a new creature, shouldn't we leave the shame behind?

Good observations and questions ... do we leave shame-facedness behind?

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by DAII

What role does a legalistic or extrabiblical culture have in creating "shame"?

There are a lot of shaming techniques used in legalistic cultures. Some would say that Jesus used shaming techniques as well, when he called the Pharisees "vipers" for instance. But these weren't Jesus' common techniques for dealing with average people, and the things he said about the Pharisees don't seem to have induced any shame.

Originally Posted by DAII

Is there any thing about shame that is healthy ... beneficial ... advantageous?

There is healthy shame--embarrassment for wrongdoing, for instance. But that shame comes from a sincere heart. Outwardly induced shame--from being labeled, mocked, called out, shunned, stood up or sat down, or having private discussions preached publicly, for instance--aren't healthy shame, and don't often lead to inward positive changes. Those things more often make hypocrites and backsliders than healthy saints, IMO.

What did anyone think of what he believes Joel meant by "afterward" according to the video?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by DAII

An interesting statement from the beginning of both videos is something like this:

Most people suffer from SHAME ... they think they are struggling against sin or their flesh/carnality ... IN REALITY THEY ARE SUFFERING FROM SHAME.

Another interesting sound byte from the Vimeo video is that Wright believes that one of the things holding up "Apostolic Revival" is shame and that the pouring down will happen when his people are made "whole"

If the shame is a result of ignorance (fixation on something not really sinful), then by all means, help! If it's a result of sin, then it's healthy. Shame and condemnation differ. Shame drives us to the cross. Condemnation drives us away from the cross.

I still don't completely get the conference and the shame plug. Are they pointing everyone to the cross? Telling them to feel better about themselves? What's the catch?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Socialite

If the shame is a result of ignorance (fixation on something not really sinful), then by all means, help! If it's a result of sin, then it's healthy. Shame and condemnation differ. Shame drives us to the cross. Condemnation drives us away from the cross.

I still don't completely get the conference and the shame plug. Are they pointing everyone to the cross? Telling them to feel better about themselves? What's the catch?

You're on to something!

[DAII]

Socialite, in the Vimeo video ... Chester states this must be dealt with by God's people in order to have the ever-elusive Apostolic Revival ...

this may help answer the "afterward" .... MissouriMary.