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Old 10-26-2010, 07:00 PM
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Obediance over Understanding

Is obediance over understanding overemphasized?


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Old 10-26-2010, 07:12 PM
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Re: Obediance over Understanding

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Is obediance over understanding overemphasized?


Yes, in places where the proverb is told of of someone in a tree who is being directed to jump out, without time to give understanding to the person that a snake is ready to strike him. Check your brains in at the doors of those churches.
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Old 10-27-2010, 06:44 AM
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Re: Obediance over Understanding

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Is obediance over understanding overemphasized?


Yes everytime, The word teaches us we are to obey God not man. There for if one does not understand what they are being ask to follow, (or obey) then they are following man over God.

I Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

If Paul intended that we obey blindly what the pastor preaches why did he word things like he does.

Further we have IMHO mistranslated the next passage to back up our teaching of obediance, when if fact it does not back us up at all.

Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

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A primary verb; to convince (by argument, true or false); by analogy to pacify or conciliate (by other fair means); reflexively or passively to assent (to evidence or authority), to rely (by inward certainty): - agree, assure, believe, have confidence, be (wax) content, make friend, obey, persuade, trust, yield.

We are given several scriptures that tell us we are to obey our head, husbands, Christ, wives the husband, Children parents. No where are we told to obey the ministry.


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Re: Obediance over Understanding

I agree partly at least. Meaning that if that minister does bring one a Word of
correction from the Lord, we need to heed what others do say of course. But having the rule over someone, I really agree that begins in the family. At least it did in the beginning anyway, I am sure. As it was Adam that seemingly God told not to partake of that tree, not Eve, according to scripture. Although Eve knew not to do so too of course. But since she was deceived, I assume it was not God that told her, but probably Adam. . Although if Adam was sitting there when she did do so. And goofed up there totally, because he should have stepped in then, telling her not to do so without at least going and talking it over with the Lord. Meaning they both really goofed up on that one for sure. But alas, she ate, then handed it to him and he did so too. But Adam sinned blatantly knowing better. which it also says too. And I assume that was because God did tell him personally not to do so. But being deceived is also sin. Because we can also ask God ourselves. So therefore we have no excuse in being deceived either. Just as Eve didn't.

But that also reveals somewhat Gods plan concerning who does have the rule over another.

But it also reveals how much more responsibility the man has. Which is why I finally realized I liked being the woman after all.
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