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01-07-2009, 02:54 PM
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Re: Why Does God Give the Baptism of the Holy Ghos
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My thoughts, too. Also, doesn't it say somewhere that the Holy Ghost is the power of the resurrection or something like that? I can't remember the exact quote, but I've heard it preached that if you don't have the Holy Ghost, you will not be resurrected.
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I think you are referring to
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Romans 8:11
There are differences of opinion on here and among Christians as to whether the Holy Ghost Baptism is the same experience as the birth of the Spirit.
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01-07-2009, 02:55 PM
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Re: Why Does God Give the Baptism of the Holy Ghos
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I see no record that the eunuch spoke in tongues in Acts 8.
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No, nor does it say that he was filled with the Holy Ghost. We don't know what happened to the eunuch, except that he "went on his way rejoicing."
I'm not saying that he didn't receive the Holy Ghost, I'm just saying you can't say that he did, without tongues, because the scripture doesn't say one way or the other. What is silent for me, is just as silent for you.
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01-07-2009, 02:56 PM
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Re: Why Does God Give the Baptism of the Holy Ghos
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I think you are referring to
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Romans 8:11
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Yes, that's it! Thank you!!!!
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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01-07-2009, 02:57 PM
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Re: Why Does God Give the Baptism of the Holy Ghos
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No, nor does it say that he was filled with the Holy Ghost. We don't know what happened to the eunuch, except that he "went on his way rejoicing."
I'm not saying that he didn't receive the Holy Ghost, I'm just saying you can't say that he did, without tongues, because the scripture doesn't say one way or the other. What is silent for me, is just as silent for you.
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Yet you alluded to a pattern of conversion in Acts ... this pattern being ... repentance, water baptism, tongues .... only is cited in 3 instances of conversions ... not all ... Paul's, jailer's, eunuch's, 3000, etc.
This does not a pattern make, IMO.
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01-07-2009, 02:58 PM
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Re: Why Does God Give the Baptism of the Holy Ghos
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Yet you alluded to a pattern of conversion in Acts ... this pattern being ... repentance, water baptism, tongues .... only is cited in 3 instances of conversions ... not all ... Paul's, jailer's, eunuch's, 3000, etc.
This does not a pattern make, IMO.
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Well, IMO, it does.
I didn't say the pattern was repentance, baptism and tongues, btw--I said "repentance, baptism and being filled with the Holy Ghost."
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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01-07-2009, 03:00 PM
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Re: Why Does God Give the Baptism of the Holy Ghos
As an added conversation piece, let me ask this...
MissBrattified, you and I believe that repentance, baptism and Holy Ghost infilling are essential to the New Birth. Can we say that we are commanded to recieve the Holy Ghost?
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01-07-2009, 03:03 PM
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Re: Why Does God Give the Baptism of the Holy Ghos
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Well, IMO, it does.
I didn't say the pattern was repentance, baptism and tongues, btw--I said "repentance, baptism and being filled with the Holy Ghost."
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So one can be filled with the Holy Ghost and not speak in tongues?
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01-07-2009, 03:03 PM
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Re: Why Does God Give the Baptism of the Holy Ghos
btw, Paul was baptized after receiving the Holy Ghost...how does that not fit into the pattern I mentioned?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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01-07-2009, 03:05 PM
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Re: Why Does God Give the Baptism of the Holy Ghos
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I see no record that the eunuch spoke in tongues in Acts 8.
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No, tongues are not mentioned there. He did have a conversion (born again) experience or else Philip would not have baptized him according to the way I understand verses 36-37
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord fell upon the Eunuch and the angel of the Lord snatched Philip away, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
A couple of things are not mentioned here.
It does not say how Philip baptized the eunuch but we know from verses 12 and 16 that Philip baptized in Jesus name. We also assume that when the Spirit fell upon the eunuch that he spoke with tongues.
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01-07-2009, 03:05 PM
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Re: Why Does God Give the Baptism of the Holy Ghos
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So one can be filled with the Holy Ghost and not speak in tongues?
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I believe the Holy Ghost is working in the lives of believers from the moment they repent, but NO, they are not baptized with the Holy Ghost until they are baptized, and I believe speaking in other tongues is evidence of that baptism.
IF people are filled with the Holy Ghost when they believe or repent, then why did the apostles pray for believers to be filled?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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