An Exhortation

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So what examples do we have of the apostles directly addressing God in prayer, so we can see what truly apostolic prayer looks like as far as the wording they used?

Acts 4:23-31 (ESV),

23 When they were released, they went to their friends and reported what the chief priests and the elders had said to them. 24 And when they heard it, they lifted their voices together to God and said, “Sovereign Lord, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and everything in them, 25 who through the mouth of our father David, your servant, said by the Holy Spirit,

“‘Why did the Gentiles rage,
and the peoples plot in vain?
26 The kings of the earth set themselves,
and the rulers were gathered together,
against the Lord and against his Anointed’—

27 for truly in this city there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28 to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place. 29 And now, Lord, look upon their threats and grant to your servants to continue to speak your word with all boldness, 30 while you stretch out your hand to heal, and signs and wonders are performed through the name of your holy servant Jesus.” 31 And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by MawMaw

Thank you, VotiveSoul!

You're welcome, Sis.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Thanks, Brother.

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Amen, Brother. God bless you and yours, in Jesus' name.

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

Good post!

Thank you, GS.

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Originally Posted by Originalist

A great post that covers both the judicial and practical aspects of grace. The grace message is not complete unless both are presented.

I agree, Originalist.

Peace and God bless,

Aaron

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by diakonos

I had a pastor who would do gymnastics after quoting a verse that would give the slightest impression that there could be more than 1.

My brother preached one time when the pastor was away for work, and used, among many other verses, the Scripture Hebrews 9:24,

For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Then, afterward, he whispered to me that he was glad the pastor wasn't there that night because he was worried that "pastor" would think he was a Trinitarian for using Hebrews 9:24.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Would it be correct to say:

There cannot be an eternal Son of God because Sonship implies creation, such and humans and angels, and God manifest in the flesh.

Can God still be Everlasting Father before the creation (or rather, begetting) of the Son? Said another way, if there is no Son, can there be Father?

Nevertheless, the Scriptures never use the phrase Eternal Son. That is a fundamentally extra-Biblical, Trinitarian idea.

But Jesus is eternal with the Father as the Logos, in the same way that words are the expression of a person while being other then that person yet inseparable.

The Logos was made flesh and dwelt among us, and that is Jesus of Nazareth. Before that fulness of time (see Galatians 4:4), was the Logos Jesus of Nazareth? I do not think so. The Logos was the Logos. Jesus of Nazareth is the name of the human man the Logos became when It was made flesh and dwelt among us. Prior to that Incarnation, it would seem to me, and I could be wrong here, if we must apply a name to the Logos, the Tetragrammaton (YHVH/YHWH) would be perfectly suitable, and Biblical.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Not to mention Votivesoul's thread is off track

As many as are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God.

It may be that the Lord intended for the thread to go this way, for our mutual benefit and edification.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Can God still be Everlasting Father before the creation (or rather, begetting) of the Son? Said another way, if there is no Son, can there be Father?

Nevertheless, the Scriptures never use the phrase Eternal Son. That is a fundamentally extra-Biblical, Trinitarian idea.



The Logos was made flesh and dwelt among us, and that is Jesus of Nazareth. Before that fulness of time (see Galatians 4:4), was the Logos Jesus of Nazareth? I do not think so. The Logos was the Logos. Jesus of Nazareth is the name of the human man the Logos became when It was made flesh and dwelt among us. Prior to that Incarnation, it would seem to me, and I could be wrong here, if we must apply a name to the Logos, the Tetragrammaton (YHVH/YHWH) would be perfectly suitable, and Biblical.

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God…And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”

The Logos was always Jesus Christ, God Almighty.

He kept His name a secret until the fullness of time.

Manoah asked His name. He said, “Why are you asking after my name seeing that it is secret/remarkable/wonderful?” Judges 13:18; Isaiah 9:6

Jacob asked God His name after wrestling with Him. He knew it was God because he wanted to be blessed by Him. Genesis 32:26;29

God is who He is. His name has always been Jesus, waiting to be revealed.

Let me add that He has always been and always will be the Mighty God in Christ.
And we can read a million books and quote a million author’s words. However, unless we have spent time with Him alone, we will never really know Him. He reveals Himself to us through His Word.