Evidence of Spirit Infilling?

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I hope I am not veering off the intended path here...

But I have seen people before who came to a service and ended up at the altar. At the altar they were crying and praising God, asking for forgiveness etc and afterward they had a complete personality change. They were, indeed, a different person.

But nobody saw then speak in tongues.

I'm not talking about your average person who was a nice person anyway. I am talking about people who had real interpersonal issues and, all at once, they were changed.

But nobody saw them speak in tongues.

They were thrilled at what they felt. They said they had never felt anything like it before. They said that all the anger, hate & resentment that they had been carrying around had been lifted and they had never felt so clean & free before.

But nobody saw them speak in tongues.

Better watch out you are making a strong case for one-steppers

[ForeverBlessed]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I hope I am not veering off the intended path here...

But I have seen people before who came to a service and ended up at the altar. At the altar they were crying and praising God, asking for forgiveness etc and afterward they had a complete personality change. They were, indeed, a different person.

But nobody saw then speak in tongues.

I'm not talking about your average person who was a nice person anyway. I am talking about people who had real interpersonal issues and, all at once, they were changed.

But nobody saw them speak in tongues.

They were thrilled at what they felt. They said they had never felt anything like it before. They said that all the anger, hate & resentment that they had been carrying around had been lifted and they had never felt so clean & free before.

But nobody saw them speak in tongues.

So then it begins. People begin to come up to them and tell them that they will be so excited when they receive the Holy Ghost. The doubts begin. What? I thought I did receive the Holy Ghost? So a person who was on cloud nine and walking free now has doubts placed in their minds and they feel like there is something else they need to do.

Then they return to the altar straining and pushing... trying to achieve something that they were told they needed to achieve.

I find this disturbing. Something... maybe it was the barometric pressure of that day... but something changed them.... brought freedom from anger, hatred, resentment... etc.

What was it... because... remember... nobody saw them speak in tongues.

I have seen this happen, the person was delivered from alcohol and drugs... he did a total turn around... he repented and was baptised on Sunday morning... dark look around him vanished... he glowed....he shed his whole druggie appearance (no one ever had to tell him to). He was devoted to the word of God and faithful to church. He was radically changed without ever speaking in tongues.... which he finally did one year later.

His experience was so radical that it confused me... I questioned how it happened several times.

I still have no answer because I do believe that the initial evidence of the Holy Ghost baptism is speaking in tongues....and it is needed to live an overcoming life and to walk in the Spirit.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Question; If someone gives a message in tongues (assuming it is then interpreted) is that evidence the individual is Spirit-filled?

How about the usage of the other gifts? Miracles, faith, prophecy, word of knowledge, wisdom etc.? Would exercising any or all of these indicate one is filled with the Holy Spirit?

Do you think someone can preach, prophesy, live a godly, holy overcoming life and not be Spirit filled?

[KWSS1976]

I am going to post what happened in Acts and what the tongues were used for would yall please read it....if you forget all you have been taught and read Acts you see this the same way...I was not raised petecostal and I opened up Acts read it to myself and read it the same way mabey I question things to much but it is pretty cut and dry the purpose of tongues..

http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=393

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by ILG

Do you think someone can preach, prophesy, live a godly, holy overcoming life and not be Spirit filled?

Well no - not truely, but some seem to think those things can be easily mimicked or faked while THE EVIDENCE is to be sought and seems to be without question...

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I hope I am not veering off the intended path here...

But I have seen people before who came to a service and ended up at the altar. At the altar they were crying and praising God, asking for forgiveness etc and afterward they had a complete personality change. They were, indeed, a different person.

But nobody saw then speak in tongues.

I'm not talking about your average person who was a nice person anyway. I am talking about people who had real interpersonal issues and, all at once, they were changed.

But nobody saw them speak in tongues.

They were thrilled at what they felt. They said they had never felt anything like it before. They said that all the anger, hate & resentment that they had been carrying around had been lifted and they had never felt so clean & free before.

But nobody saw them speak in tongues.

So then it begins. People begin to come up to them and tell them that they will be so excited when they receive the Holy Ghost. The doubts begin. What? I thought I did receive the Holy Ghost? So a person who was on cloud nine and walking free now has doubts placed in their minds and they feel like there is something else they need to do.

Then they return to the altar straining and pushing... trying to achieve something that they were told they needed to achieve.

I find this disturbing. Something... maybe it was the barometric pressure of that day... but something changed them.... brought freedom from anger, hatred, resentment... etc.

What was it... because... remember... nobody saw them speak in tongues.

I so agree with this d4t. I was one of those people....sort of. I repented, was baptized in the titles and recieved the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues. Then, I started attending a UPC. They did not validate my wonderful experience but rather questioned it. I was told I was not saved. Then I was baptized in Jesus name and only when they SAW me speak in tongues did they validate my experience. I had a wonderful salvation experience that was questioned and basically degraded. My perception told me that I was saved. They told me I was not. This doubt was seriously damaging. I wish I had had the mindset to question THEM rather than myself when this happened. It would have saved me a lot of grief.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Well no - not truely, but some seem to think those things can be easily mimicked or faked while THE EVIDENCE is to be sought and seems to be without question...

Tongues cannot be faked???

[KWSS1976]

Ok ILG since tongues cannot be faked I am posting this for you..LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkn1BilNhmc

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I hope I am not veering off the intended path here...

But I have seen people before who came to a service and ended up at the altar. At the altar they were crying and praising God, asking for forgiveness etc and afterward they had a complete personality change. They were, indeed, a different person.

But nobody saw then speak in tongues.

I'm not talking about your average person who was a nice person anyway. I am talking about people who had real interpersonal issues and, all at once, they were changed.

But nobody saw them speak in tongues.

They were thrilled at what they felt. They said they had never felt anything like it before. They said that all the anger, hate & resentment that they had been carrying around had been lifted and they had never felt so clean & free before.

But nobody saw them speak in tongues.

So then it begins. People begin to come up to them and tell them that they will be so excited when they receive the Holy Ghost. The doubts begin. What? I thought I did receive the Holy Ghost? So a person who was on cloud nine and walking free now has doubts placed in their minds and they feel like there is something else they need to do.

Then they return to the altar straining and pushing... trying to achieve something that they were told they needed to achieve.

I find this disturbing. Something... maybe it was the barometric pressure of that day... but something changed them.... brought freedom from anger, hatred, resentment... etc.

What was it... because... remember... nobody saw them speak in tongues.

Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

I have seen this happen, the person was delivered from alcohol and drugs... he did a total turn around... he repented and was baptised on Sunday morning... dark look around him vanished... he glowed....he shed his whole druggie appearance (no one ever had to tell him to). He was devoted to the word of God and faithful to church. He was radically changed without ever speaking in tongues.... which he finally did one year later.

His experience was so radical that it confused me... I questioned how it happened several times.

I still have no answer because I do believe that the initial evidence of the Holy Ghost baptism is speaking in tongues....and it is needed to live an overcoming life and to walk in the Spirit.

Originally Posted by ILG

I so agree with this d4t. I was one of those people....sort of. I repented, was baptized in the titles and recieved the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues. Then, I started attending a UPC. They did not validate my wonderful experience but rather questioned it. I was told I was not saved. Then I was baptized in Jesus name and only when they SAW me speak in tongues did they validate my experience. I had a wonderful salvation experience that was questioned and basically degraded. My perception told me that I was saved. They told me I was not. This doubt was seriously damaging. I wish I had had the mindset to question THEM rather than myself when this happened. It would have saved me a lot of grief.

This is how it happened to me.

I remember feeling just a completely overwhelming feeling of peace and love. It was like I was saturated in it. If I could have bottled that up and sold it, I would be a gazillionaire today!

That was the huge turning point for me spiritually. Though I didn't speak in tongues for about 3 more months.

[KWSS1976]

Funny how he can just turn it on...LOL