Have you ever lost confidence in the saints? - Page 3

Tithesmeister · #21 10-18-2020, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monterrey

And that, my AFF friend, is the exact problem.

Pastors aren't saints. Not in the way that you are thinking. They are undershepherds under the Great Shepherd.

The people that God puts in their flock still belong to God. But they are not saints. They are ministry. They are there to feed the flock, care for the flock, watch the flock, but they are not the flock. Sorry to burst your bubble but that is the truth.

If you could get a good understanding of the two then it would help your perspective of what is happening in your life.

God bless

There is a lot in your post that I definitely agree with. There are honorable and dishonorable saints. Some of both are pastors. But if pastors aren’t saints their name is not written in the book of life. That’s what I meant. But I also believe that the pulpit puts a division in the church that shouldn’t be. The greatest division in the church (in my opinion) is the division between the pulpit and the pew.

I would be happy to discuss the modern pastor doctrine with you. Maybe you would learn something. I’m sure I would. So everyone is a winner. Care to try it?

diakonos · #22 10-18-2020, 11:25 PM

Monterrey,

Did the guy pay tithes and become blessed?

coksiw · #23 10-19-2020, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monterrey

And that, my AFF friend, is the exact problem.

Pastors aren't saints. Not in the way that you are thinking. They are undershepherds under the Great Shepherd.

The people that God puts in their flock still belong to God. But they are not saints. They are ministry. They are there to feed the flock, care for the flock, watch the flock, but they are not the flock. Sorry to burst your bubble but that is the truth.

If you could get a good understanding of the two then it would help your perspective of what is happening in your life.

God bless

I think you are stretching concepts to set a separation that doesn't exist. When the word "saints" is in the same context as "elders" is not to set a strict separation, but a role separation.

I grabbed this phrase from the internet: things that people say:

"Generally, the president replies to messages with a default letter thanking citizens for taking the time to write".

"Zambian president & citizens mourn death of 22-year-old"

"President salutes citizens".

Isn't the president also a citizen?

consapente89 · #24 10-19-2020, 09:14 AM

I was going to post something similar to this. Only.

Has your leadership ever lost confidence in you?

Then list the way in which leaders are often failed by those they lead. But no one really wants to talk about that, do they?