Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > Fellowship Hall
Facebook

Notices

Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-04-2022, 08:03 AM
good samaritan's Avatar
good samaritan good samaritan is online now
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 2,282
God created our immune system

Do you think sickness, disease, pestilence are an act of God?

The role of sickness and disease in the Bible was often a judgement against a nation for some sin. In short, the people of Israel would repent of their sin and God would stay the plague.

Do you think the way God stayed the plagues (unbeknown to us) could of been through natural immunity?

Could centuries of the judgments of God led man to discover the immune system and how it developes immunity?

I have heard that vaccines are small doses of disease, given to familiarize our bodies immune system to the actual disease itself. In effect, preparing our immune system for the real thing.

That is genius.

But….

What if you take a child before they are 5-6 years old, and steadily inject them with a regiment of each these horrible diseases (the judgments of God).

Polio, measles, mumps, scarlet fever, hepatitis, bubonic plague, etc….

We put our children’s immune systems through gymnastics to deal with plagues that I feel that God sent as judgments upon this earth. It seems that autoimmune disorders are common. Allergies, asthma, eczema, and many more I don’t know the name of. Maybe even more severe things, like some of the mental illness we have discussed on other threads.

I know these diseases will kill people if left alone. I also know that many people would develop natural immunity and survive. But, by trying to cheat death and amping up our children’s immune system, could we be just choosing another poison? I don’t have the answer to this, but I think we should put some serious thought and study into the subject, before we just take a doctors word for it.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-04-2022, 08:48 AM
coksiw coksiw is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 1,667
Re: God created our immune system

Interesting questions...

Some think of vaccines as preventive medicine to strengthen your immunity, the same way you take supplements to strengthen your immunity, but a in a very hack-y way.

I'll keep an eye on this thread.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-05-2022, 12:49 AM
votivesoul's Avatar
votivesoul votivesoul is offline
Administrator


 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: WI
Posts: 5,262
Re: God created our immune system

Quote:
Originally Posted by good samaritan View Post
Do you think sickness, disease, pestilence are an act of God?
God made bacteria and viruses, molds and blights since He is the Creator of All that Is, so in a word, yes.

Quote:
The role of sickness and disease in the Bible was often a judgement against a nation for some sin. In short, the people of Israel would repent of their sin and God would stay the plague.
Do you have several examples of a sickness or disease as a judgment against a nation or nations for some sin by God, in the Bible? You used the word "often", so it should be a regularly occurring event, correct?

Are you thinking of Egypt? The Philistines and the hemorroids God gave them? Or something else?

As far as Israel is concerned, they were only plagued twice, once in Numbers and then again when David took a census. The first was supernatural, as the fiery serpents were actually seraphim according to the Hebrew. The second was through angelic agency, so again, supernatural, meaning not a sickness derived from a bacterium or virus.

Quote:
Do you think the way God stayed the plagues (unbeknown to us) could of been through natural immunity?
No. Immune systems do not stay the wrath of God.

Quote:
Could centuries of the judgments of God led man to discover the immune system and how it developes immunity?
The general malaise of the human race and the sicknesses that it has experienced coupled with a longing to save ourselves from such suffering, in addition to continued advancements in technology and science, plus a willingness to forego believing such sicknesses were the result of divine justice, is what led man to discover the immune system, and other aspects of human biology and medicine.

Quote:
I have heard that vaccines are small doses of disease, given to familiarize our bodies immune system to the actual disease itself. In effect, preparing our immune system for the real thing.
I think you are thinking of inoculations.

Quote:
That is genius.
I agree.

Quote:
But….

What if you take a child before they are 5-6 years old, and steadily inject them with a regiment of each these horrible diseases (the judgments of God).

Polio, measles, mumps, scarlet fever, hepatitis, bubonic plague, etc….
You might severely reduce infant and child mortality around the world for the first time in human history. But that isn't the real story of how inoculations occurred. It wasn't inject a child over and over again with all sorts of living contaminates and hope he survives.

Again, I think you are confusing inoculations with vaccines. Children the world over are given lots of vaccinations while they are young. But those vaccines do not carry inside of them divine plagues sent to judge the world, whatever else is in them.

Quote:
We put our children’s immune systems through gymnastics to deal with plagues that I feel that God sent as judgments upon this earth. It seems that autoimmune disorders are common. Allergies, asthma, eczema, and many more I don’t know the name of. Maybe even more severe things, like some of the mental illness we have discussed on other threads.
You have to be able to show that such conditions as you have listed above are actually judgments from God upon this earth, from the Scriptures. Can you do that? Chapter and verse?

Quote:
I know these diseases will kill people if left alone. I also know that many people would develop natural immunity and survive. But, by trying to cheat death and amping up our children’s immune system, could we be just choosing another poison? I don’t have the answer to this, but I think we should put some serious thought and study into the subject, before we just take a doctors word for it.
Doctors are like preachers, or anything else, really. Some are quacks, some are harmless but useless, some are mad, some are good and very helpful with correct moral motivations, and etc.

But to think that we have the ability to harness a judgment from God in the form of disease in order to save ourselves from that judgment, means we have circumvented the power of God to do as He pleases, which just isn't possible. If God decides to judge, and if He decides to use a plague or sickness to do so, ain't no one gonna come up with an inoculation, vaccine, medication, treatment option, or other therapeutic or palliative that will make one iota of difference.
__________________
For anyone devoted to His fear:

http://votivesoul.wordpress.com/

Last edited by votivesoul; 04-05-2022 at 12:52 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-05-2022, 07:21 AM
Evang.Benincasa's Avatar
Evang.Benincasa Evang.Benincasa is offline
Unvaxxed Pureblood too


 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 38,544
Re: God created our immune system

Quote:
Originally Posted by good samaritan View Post
But….

What if you take a child before they are 5-6 years old, and steadily inject them with a regiment of each these horrible diseases (the judgments of God).

Polio, measles, mumps, scarlet fever, hepatitis, bubonic plague, etc….

We put our children’s immune systems through gymnastics to deal with plagues that I feel that God sent as judgments upon this earth. It seems that autoimmune disorders are common. Allergies, asthma, eczema, and many more I don’t know the name of. Maybe even more severe things, like some of the mental illness we have discussed on other threads.

I know these diseases will kill people if left alone. I also know that many people would develop natural immunity and survive. But, by trying to cheat death and amping up our children’s immune system, could we be just choosing another poison? I don’t have the answer to this, but I think we should put some serious thought and study into the subject, before we just take a doctors word for it.
If God wants you dead, you will be deader than cold fried chicken. No matter what you do will stay His hand.
__________________
“Burn the Boats!!!” — Hernan Cortes
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-05-2022, 08:21 AM
JoeBandy JoeBandy is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 686
Re: God created our immune system

Good grief people...... Your gonna die....... Buy life insurance
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-05-2022, 12:34 PM
Jito463 Jito463 is online now
J.esus i.s t.he o.ne God (463)


 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 2,789
Re: God created our immune system

Quote:
Originally Posted by votivesoul View Post
But to think that we have the ability to harness a judgment from God in the form of disease in order to save ourselves from that judgment, means we have circumvented the power of God to do as He pleases, which just isn't possible. If God decides to judge, and if He decides to use a plague or sickness to do so, ain't no one gonna come up with an inoculation, vaccine, medication, treatment option, or other therapeutic or palliative that will make one iota of difference.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa View Post
If God wants you dead, you will be deader than cold fried chicken. No matter what you do will stay His hand.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Originalist View Post
Sometimes hidden dangers spring on us suddenly. Those are out of our control. But when one can see the danger, and then refuses to arrest , all in the name of "God is in control", they are forfeiting God given, preventive opportunities.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-05-2022, 03:45 PM
Evang.Benincasa's Avatar
Evang.Benincasa Evang.Benincasa is offline
Unvaxxed Pureblood too


 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 38,544
Re: God created our immune system

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBandy View Post
Good grief people...... Your gonna die....... Buy life insurance

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBandy View Post
Geez. No wonder I have stayed away from this forum ...
.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jito463 View Post
And yet, here you are.
__________________
“Burn the Boats!!!” — Hernan Cortes

Last edited by Evang.Benincasa; 04-05-2022 at 03:48 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-05-2022, 07:51 PM
Esaias's Avatar
Esaias Esaias is offline
Unvaxxed Pureblood


 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Zion aka TEXAS
Posts: 25,208
Re: God created our immune system

https://sunnylanblog.wordpress.com/2...-unvaccinated/
__________________
Visit the Apostolic House Church YouTube Channel!


Biblical Worship - free pdf http://www.pdf-archive.com/2016/02/21/biblicalworship4/

Conditional immortality proven - http://www.robertwr.com/

Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-06-2022, 06:12 AM
Jito463 Jito463 is online now
J.esus i.s t.he o.ne God (463)


 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 2,789
Re: God created our immune system

Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias View Post
I went into the bank on my way to work a few weeks ago, and while I was in there, I started getting a cough. I'd clear my throat, but a few seconds later it would be back. It was all I could do to stop from going into a full on coughing fit right there (which considering the world today, you know would cause some to freak out). After leaving the bank, I finally let loose and tried clearing my throat. I was still coughing on my way to work, and for probably a good 30-45 minutes after I opened the store (thankfully I was alone).

I've no doubt most if not all of those working at the bank were jabbed, so I wondered at the time if that could be related. I'll probably never know for sure, but I was fine before I went to the bank, and I never had any further issues after my coughing fit went away. It may have been something else entirely, but the thought certainly did cross my mind.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Originalist View Post
Sometimes hidden dangers spring on us suddenly. Those are out of our control. But when one can see the danger, and then refuses to arrest , all in the name of "God is in control", they are forfeiting God given, preventive opportunities.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-06-2022, 01:10 PM
Evang.Benincasa's Avatar
Evang.Benincasa Evang.Benincasa is offline
Unvaxxed Pureblood too


 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 38,544
Re: God created our immune system

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jito463 View Post
I went into the bank on my way to work a few weeks ago, and while I was in there, I started getting a cough. I'd clear my throat, but a few seconds later it would be back. It was all I could do to stop from going into a full on coughing fit right there (which considering the world today, you know would cause some to freak out). After leaving the bank, I finally let loose and tried clearing my throat. I was still coughing on my way to work, and for probably a good 30-45 minutes after I opened the store (thankfully I was alone).

I've no doubt most if not all of those working at the bank were jabbed, so I wondered at the time if that could be related. I'll probably never know for sure, but I was fine before I went to the bank, and I never had any further issues after my coughing fit went away. It may have been something else entirely, but the thought certainly did cross my mind.
Go get yourself a ribeye steak, and smother it in butter. You will be fit as a fiddle
__________________
“Burn the Boats!!!” — Hernan Cortes
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
God created evil Tim Rutledge Fellowship Hall 7 04-04-2017 05:20 AM
Man is created thephnxman Deep Waters 1 10-26-2015 02:24 PM
God created Evil Sheila Deep Waters 33 02-20-2012 05:57 AM
Was Man Created with Seven Basic Needs? rgcraig Fellowship Hall 9 11-08-2010 10:28 PM
When were the angels created? Sister Alvear Fellowship Hall 16 05-16-2009 10:42 PM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by BroGary
- by Barb
- by aegsm76

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:48 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.