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Old 12-17-2018, 09:01 AM
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Re: Christmas is pagan

Evidently the unwritten command of Jesus to His Church.
“Go into all the world steal the pagan holidays and symbols and rename them Christian days and plaster them all over my church.”
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Old 12-17-2018, 10:34 AM
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Re: Christmas is pagan

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Evidently the unwritten command of Jesus to His Church.
“Go into all the world steal the pagan holidays and symbols and rename them Christian days and plaster them all over my church.”


Do you believe apostolics who celebrate it are lost as Esaias believes?
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Old 12-17-2018, 10:48 AM
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Re: Christmas is pagan

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Do you believe apostolics who celebrate it are lost as Esaias believes?
Apostolics don't celebrate pagan holy days. Those believers who do are in danger, unless they repent. See Revelation chapters 2 and 3.
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Old 12-17-2018, 01:32 PM
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Re: Christmas is pagan

There is no scripture that would require one to celebrate the birth of the Messiah.
There is no scripture that would deny one to celebrate the birth of the Messiah.
scriptures used against Christmas trees are taken out of context. We all know the context speaks of carved idols used for intentional worship.
Dates mean nothing Dec 25 has no significance.
No amount of self righteousness or berating anyone on either side of the issue makes either view scripturaly correct.
Yes Apostolics celebrate the birth of Jesus.
Yes Apostolics chose not to celebrate the birth of Jesus.
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There is no scripture that would require one to celebrate the birth of the Messiah.
There is no scripture that would deny one to celebrate the birth of the Messiah.
scriptures used against Christmas trees are taken out of context. We all know the context speaks of carved idols used for intentional worship.
Dates mean nothing Dec 25 has no significance.
No amount of self righteousness or berating anyone on either side of the issue makes either view scripturaly correct.
Yes Apostolics celebrate the birth of Jesus.
Yes Apostolics chose not to celebrate the birth of Jesus.
Now demonstrate the Scriptural accuracy of your claims.
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Old 12-17-2018, 01:42 PM
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Now demonstrate the Scriptural accuracy of your claims.
That's the point. There is no scripture that backs any side of the issue.
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Old 12-17-2018, 02:10 PM
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Re: Christmas is pagan

BBC article on Christmas being a pagan holiday:

The Gospels do not mention the date of Jesus' birth. It was not until the 4th century AD that Pope Julius I set 25th December as the date for Christmas. This was an attempt to Christianise the Pagan celebrations that already took place at this time of year. By 529, 25th December had become a civil holiday and by 567 the twelve days from 25th December to the Epiphany were public holidays.

Christmas is not only a Christian festival. The celebration has roots in the Jewish holiday of Hanukkah, the festivals of the ancient Greeks, the beliefs of the Druids and the folk customs of Europe.

Midwinter celebrations

Christmas comes just after the middle of winter. The sun is strengthening and the days are beginning to grow longer. For people throughout history this has been a time of feasting and celebration.

Ancient people were hunters and spent most of their time outdoors. The seasons and weather played a very important part in their lives and because of this they had a great reverence for, and even worshipped, the sun. The Norsemen of Northern Europe saw the sun as a wheel that changed the seasons. It was from the word for this wheel, houl, that the word yule (another name for Christmas) is thought to have come. At Winter Solstice the Norsemen lit bonfires, told stories and drank sweet ale.

The Romans also held a festival to mark the Winter Solstice. Saturnalia (from the God Saturn) ran for seven days from 17th December. It was a time when the ordinary rules were turned upside down. Men dressed as women and masters dressed as servants. The festival also involved processions, decorating houses with greenery, lighting candles and giving presents.

Holly is one of the symbols most associated with Christmas. Its religious significance pre-dates Christianity. It was previously associated with the Sun God and was important in Pagan customs. Some ancient religions used holly for protection. They decorated doors and windows with it in the belief it would ward off evil spirits.

Before Christianity came to the British Isles the Winter Solstice was held on the shortest day of the year (21st December). The Druids (Celtic priests) would cut the mistletoe that grew on the oak tree and give it as a blessing. Oaks were seen as sacred and the winter fruit of the mistletoe was a symbol of life in the dark winter months.

Judaism was the main religion of Israel at the time of Jesus' birth. The Jewish midwinter festival of Hanukkah marks an important part of Jewish history. It is eight days long and on each day a candle is lit. It is a time of remembrance, celebration of light, a time to give gifts and have fun.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religi...istmas_1.shtml
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Re: Christmas is pagan

BBC article on Winter Solstice:

The Pagan celebration of Winter Solstice (also known as Yule) is one of the oldest winter celebrations in the world.

Ancient people were hunters and spent most of their time outdoors. The seasons and weather played a very important part in their lives. Because of this many ancient people had a great reverence for, and even worshipped the sun. The Norsemen of Northern Europe saw the sun as a wheel that changed the seasons. It was from the word for this wheel, houl, that the word yule is thought to have come. At mid-winter the Norsemen lit bonfires, told stories and drank sweet ale.

The ancient Romans also held a festival to celebrate the rebirth of the year. Saturnalia ran for seven days from the 17th of December. It was a time when the ordinary rules were turned upside down. Men dressed as women and masters dressed as servants. The festival also involved decorating houses with greenery, lighting candles, holding processions and giving presents.

The Winter Solstice falls on the shortest day of the year (21st December) and was celebrated in Britain long before the arrival of Christianity. The Druids (Celtic priests) would cut the mistletoe that grew on the oak tree and give it as a blessing. Oaks were seen as sacred and the winter fruit of the mistletoe was a symbol of life in the dark winter months.

It was also the Druids who began the tradition of the yule log. The Celts thought that the sun stood still for twelve days in the middle of winter and during this time a log was lit to conquer the darkness, banish evil spirits and bring luck for the coming year.

Many of these customs are still followed today. They have been incorporated into the Christian and secular celebrations of Christmas.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religi...solstice.shtml
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Old 12-17-2018, 02:16 PM
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Re: Christmas is pagan

It's just creepy how much of Christmas is pagan.
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Re: Christmas is pagan

Christmas is the celebration of the birth of our Messiah. Are we not glad that Jesus was born into this world? For whatever reason the day of celebration was set is of no signification i.e. convenience, inclusion etc. Tree, gifts, lights whats pagan?
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