Canadian and American Healthcare ?

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by The Senator

Canadian health care is limited.

This is an interesting assertion. Do you have any data to back this claim or is this something that you have determined anecdotally? I am in regular contact with several aspects of the Canadian medical system, and I haven't seen any evidence of these "limitations."

Guess it depends on what one means by 'limitations'.

[The Senator]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Actually capitalism and the free market is promoted by Scripture. Not socialism.

How do you reconcile the Jewish practice of Jubilee years with capitalism?

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Pragmatist

Another issue is that many Americans want the best treatment regardless of cost or likelihood of cure. Canadian health care is limited. That wouldn't fly here and that is why costs are spiraling out of control.

Originally Posted by The Senator

Canadian health care is limited.

This is an interesting assertion. Do you have any data to back this claim or is this something that you have determined anecdotally? I am in regular contact with several aspects of the Canadian medical system, and I haven't seen any evidence of these "limitations."

I imagine the limitations being spoken of here would be access. The biggest challenge to Canadian Health care right now access to specialist service. I don't think there is much dispute that waiting lists for specialists is a real problem. Somewhere in the middle I suspect is the answer.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Thumper

I imagine the limitations being spoken of here would be access. The biggest challenge to Canadian Health care right now access to specialist service. I don't think there is much dispute that waiting lists for specialists is a real problem. Somewhere in the middle I suspect is the answer.

The problem is that when one has a doctor that works for the government or HMOs he doesn't have your best interest at heart.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Pragmatist

Another issue is that many Americans want the best treatment regardless of cost or likelihood of cure. Canadian health care is limited. That wouldn't fly here and that is why costs are spiraling out of control.

Actually, American Health Care is based on profit, and not care.
Great if you have the money-if not tough luck.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

The problem is that when one has a doctor that works for the government or HMOs he doesn't have your best interest at heart.

There is a difference in working for the Government, and getting paid by them in a fee structure bargained with and agreed to by both parties (Doctors & Health Boards).

I agree HMO'S are bad. We don't have them in Canada.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

You have this habit of ascribing to me things I didn't say. I said that there were no studies that proved second hand smoke caused cancer. Never said it wasn't a bother or contributed to other problems like RAD in children.

You brought the studies up.

What is it that you believe?

Can you be clearer??

I am only quoting things you bring up and then when I ascribe them as something you believe in, you cry wolf!

Don't blame me for ascribing something you bring up.
You either believe it, or don't.
Just please be clear on where you stand.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Ron

You brought the studies up.

What is it that you believe?

Can you be clearer??

I am only quoting things you bring up and then when I ascribe them as something you believe in, you cry wolf!

Don't blame me for ascribing something you bring up.
You either believe it, or don't.
Just please be clear on where you stand.

I never cried 'wolf'. You stated that I said that second hand smoking caused no ill effect and what I said was that the studies have not shown that it caused cancer. Please quote me correctly....or is that a Canadian malady..

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Ron

Actually, American Health Care is based on profit, and not care.
Great if you have the money-if not tough luck.

Scripture gives clear credence of fee-for-service. Not take or steal from one to give another.

BTW, if one is broke one care still receive medical care in my hospital system. We see it every day.....many times a day.

[TopDog]

Originally Posted by Ron

You brought the studies up.

What is it that you believe?

Can you be clearer??

I am only quoting things you bring up and then when I ascribe them as something you believe in, you cry wolf!

Don't blame me for ascribing something you bring up.
You either believe it, or don't.
Just please be clear on where you stand.

Hey Ron - check out this article - http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=35422

Of course ReformedDave will close his mind up all "tight and cosy" and discount this...........

I wonder if there's been a *specific* study that shows that drinking drain clearing chemicals such as Draino will kill you? If not - and using ReformedDave's wonky logic - I suggest that he go and drink a couple glasses full of his favorite brand of Draino-type product. This entire discussion is beyond ridiculous and only makes him look SILLY!