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Old 06-30-2018, 09:18 PM
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It still remains a VOLUNTARY CONTRACT. There is no penalty for not sighning over headship to the government.
Prove the license is a contract.

Prove that a marriage without a license prevents the state from doing anything except collecting a fee.
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You apparently didn't read a thing I said.

But that's par for the course.

Let me repeat for the readers: The LICENSE confers upon the State no power they don't already claim. It confers upon the couple no obligation whatsoever except maybe a 72 hour waiting period (laws differ by state - feel better?) before getting married.
Ah, but a marriage through the state (a civil marriage) does require a couple to go before a state official representing the authority of the court to get permission to form their union (civil marriage). And they are also under legal obligation to dissolve their union before the authority of the court, does it not?

This was a concern of the early Quakers who did not believe that civil government united a man and woman, nor did they believe in believers being required to settle divorces or grievances before the secular courts of the world in accordance to, I Corinthians 6:1-8.

The issue at hand is that an increasing number of Christian couples want the government to be involved as little as possible concerning their unions. And as demonstrated in the links presented earlier in this thread, an increasing number of Christian pastors (primarily conservative) are not wanting to serve as agents of the state with regards to marriage.

So, does a couple have the right to form a private marriage that doesn't require state involvement? Many are already doing this without criminal charge or penalty. So, the answer is "yes", indeed they do have the right to do this.
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Re: Marriage Privatization:

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Prove the license is a contract.

Prove that a marriage without a license prevents the state from doing anything except collecting a fee.

Drive without a license---penalty


fish without a license----penalty.


get married without a license---nothing.


CONTRACT.
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Drive without a license---penalty


fish without a license----penalty.


get married without a license---nothing.


CONTRACT.
Sorry, brother, but you simply do not understand what a contract is. Marriage is a type of contract. A license is not a contract. You cannot have a contract if both parties do not understand it is a contract. You cannot have a contract if there is not an "agreement to do something". And a marriage license doesn't obligate you to do anything.

The marriage license does NOT grant the state any power or jurisdiction they don't already claim. Why y'all can't see this is beyond me. No state will suddenly intervene in a marriage and claim the license gives them jurisdiction. If it did, you would not be required to FILE A PETITION to divorce! Because they would already have jurisdiction.

Instead, you have to petition a court and prove it has jurisdiction. And in doing this you do NOT present a license, but rather proof of marriage taking place in the court's jurisdiction, and proof of residence.

I'm not arguing people should get a marriage license. I'm just against false information of ANY kind.
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Old 07-09-2018, 09:14 AM
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Re: Marriage Privatization:

A license is only permission from an authorized authority to enter a civil marriage. Once filed with the state and the necessary state issued marriage certificate is issued, one's relationship is, by civil contract, strictly under the authority of the state. It cannot be dissolved privately and all civil laws governing income, property, and spousal support are under the authority of the courts.

This is entered into voluntarily. But more and more people are becoming leery of this civil institution.

A growing number of clergy do not wish to act as agents of the state in a system that now recognizes gay marriage. Also, a growing number of Christians do not wish to have to go before the civil courts to dissolve their unions, should it be necessary. Nor do they wish the civil courts to have absolute jurisdiction over their property or authority to impose spousal support. Nor do they wish to be subject to laws that govern Social Security benefits or Medicare benefits. These Christians prefer a private union that is a contract that is strictly between themselves and their partners.
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