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Old 06-18-2007, 07:43 AM
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Sure He could have. Why would He be tempted if He could not sin. Why did the Devil try and tempt Him? The reason that He did not fall into sin or bow to satan is because He said, "it is written." That was enough for Jesus to resist sin. Would He have sinned, No! But could He, sure. He is God He could do anything he wanted.
AS God he cannot be tempted with sin. As HUMAN he was tempted from WITHOUT not WITHIN. He had NO lusts. John said "IN HIM is NO sin." 1Jn.3:5
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Sure He could have. Why would He be tempted if He could not sin. Why did the Devil try and tempt Him? The reason that He did not fall into sin or bow to satan is because He said, "it is written." That was enough for Jesus to resist sin. Would He have sinned, No! But could He, sure. He is God He could do anything he wanted.

He was exposed to the same temptations as us, however He did not have the blood of Joseph in His veins. Therefore, He could not sin, not because His flesh was not (technically) capable of sin, rather because there was no sin in Him. He was fully submitted to the Father, and in that state it was impossible for Him to actually sin. Likewise when we have been born again, and are fully submitted to God, neither can we sin. However, our flesh is scarred and stained by sin, so it takes a lifetime and sometimes more for us to become without spot or blemish. "...when we see Him we will be like Him." Methinks most if not all of us will not be spotless until we "see Him".
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AS God he cannot be tempted with sin. As HUMAN he was tempted from WITHOUT not WITHIN. He had NO lusts. John said "IN HIM is NO sin." 1Jn.3:5
Having no sin is not the same thing as having no lusts, brother. We can have lusts but we do not have to fulfill those lusts. If Jesus was tempted, he was tempted, period. Whether it is from without or within, it does not matter. Something sinfiul appealed to Jesus in order for Him to be tempted. Otherwise, He flat-out was not tempted at all.

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Gal 5:16 KJV This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Jesus did this and was without sin.

If Jesus was tempted, then this passage applies to His flesh:

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Jam 1:14 KJV But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Heb 4:15 KJV For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
James 1:14 says EVERY MAN. Was Christ a man? Yes. And when EVERY MAN is tempted it is because something in his flesh is enticed to sin.

He did not sin because He was walking in the Spirit ALL THE TIME.
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He was exposed to the same temptations as us, however He did not have the blood of Joseph in His veins. Therefore, He could not sin, not because His flesh was not (technically) capable of sin, rather because there was no sin in Him. He was fully submitted to the Father, and in that state it was impossible for Him to actually sin. Likewise when we have been born again, and are fully submitted to God, neither can we sin. However, our flesh is scarred and stained by sin, so it takes a lifetime and sometimes more for us to become without spot or blemish. "...when we see Him we will be like Him." Methinks most if not all of us will not be spotless until we "see Him".
Again like a broke clock twice in one day we agree.
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Heb 4:15 KJV For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

He did not sin because He was walking in the Spirit ALL THE TIME.

Ladies and gentlemen ... we have a winner!!!!
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Having no sin is not the same thing as having no lusts, brother. We can have lusts but we do not have to fulfill those lusts. If Jesus was tempted, he was tempted, period. Whether it is from without or within, it does not matter. Something sinfiul appealed to Jesus in order for Him to be tempted. Otherwise, He flat-out was not tempted at all.



Jesus did this and was without sin.

If Jesus was tempted, then this passage applies to His flesh:



James 1:14 says EVERY MAN. Was Christ a man? Yes. And when EVERY MAN is tempted it is because something in his flesh is enticed to sin.

He did not sin because He was walming in the Spirit ALL THE TIME.
What's wrong with us is that we haven't learned to be: "walming in the Spirit all the time".J/K Bro.
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Having no sin is not the same thing as having no lusts, brother. We can have lusts but we do not have to fulfill those lusts. If Jesus was tempted, he was tempted, period. Whether it is from without or within, it does not matter. Something sinfiul appealed to Jesus in order for Him to be tempted. Otherwise, He flat-out was not tempted at all.



Jesus did this and was without sin.

If Jesus was tempted, then this passage applies to His flesh:



James 1:14 says EVERY MAN. Was Christ a man? Yes. And when EVERY MAN is tempted it is because something in his flesh is enticed to sin.

He did not sin because He was walming in the Spirit ALL THE TIME.
Then if he was walking in the Spirit 24/7 he could not have sinned! Case closed.

Temptations are dual they are from without and within. WE can all identify that there are certain temptations from without that has no corresponding factor WITHIN us. The temptation is real but it does not spark a life within us. Jesus had NO lusts though he was bombarded WITHOUT it had NO effect on his sinless nature within. How many times have you repented for a thought? I surely have many times do you see Jesus repenting over a thought?
Was he tempted to:
Steal?
Commit Adultery?
Lie?
Murder?
Bear False Witness?
Commit a homosexual act?
His temptation is found in Mt. 4 and Luke 4.
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If Jesus overcame sin because he was God and used his divine power to resist temptation, what hope do we have of overcoming temtation? We would all need to be God.
EXACTLY! He overcame sin in the same way we can overcome sin! We need to walk after the Spirit and not the Flesh.

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Gal 5:16 KJV This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

1Ti 3:16 KJV And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Notice that 1 Timothy reads Jesus was JUSTIFIED IN THE SPIRIT. Why does this verse say this? It means He was not striving in his fleshly power to live righteously, but walked in the Spirit, depending upon the Spirit within Him. This verse states this because it is EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE TO DO if we want to live righteously. To walk after the flesh is to be justified in the flesh.

1 Tim 3:16 gives the entire KEY TO VICTORY! If God, Himself, while in flesh had to be justfied in the Spirit AND NOT THAT FLESH, how much more do we need to stop trying to be justified in fleshly energy? THAT IS THE MYSTERY OF HOW TO LIVE GODLY!

Many mistaken 1 Tim 3:16 to simply be teaching godhead theology. It is IMPLIED, but the verse's purpose is to not teach godhead theology. IT IS TO TEACH US HOW TO LIVE GODLY. When one reads the entire epistle, it starts out speaking about godliness!

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1Ti 1:4 KJV Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
And it continues through the epistle. But 3:16 says that this godliness is a great mystery! How do we live godly? Paul recounts his struggles in Romans 7, and learned the he was to walk in the Spirit and not the flesh! And 1 Tim 3:16 repeats this same thought.

The entire mystery of how to live godly is revealed in God's manifestation in flesh. Jesus repeatedly said it was not his flesh doing His works, but THE FATHER IN HIM. This is being justified IN THE SPIRIT! TAHT IS OUR EXAMPLE!
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Old 06-18-2007, 09:07 AM
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AS God he cannot be tempted with sin. As HUMAN he was tempted from WITHOUT not WITHIN. He had NO lusts. John said "IN HIM is NO sin." 1Jn.3:5
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He was exposed to the same temptations as us, however He did not have the blood of Joseph in His veins. Therefore, He could not sin, not because His flesh was not (technically) capable of sin, rather because there was no sin in Him. He was fully submitted to the Father, and in that state it was impossible for Him to actually sin. Likewise when we have been born again, and are fully submitted to God, neither can we sin. However, our flesh is scarred and stained by sin, so it takes a lifetime and sometimes more for us to become without spot or blemish. "...when we see Him we will be like Him." Methinks most if not all of us will not be spotless until we "see Him".

Guys....He is God he could do what ever He wanted to do. Sin included. He would never sin, but in the flesh he could do whatever he wanted to. Because Adam had the blood of God in him and He sinned. Jesus is the second Adam so He could have sinned too.

I can not believe there is even a debate on this. It is soooo evident that Jesus/God in flesh could do everything. If the Bible is correct and Jesus was tempted the same as we then there was plenty of chances to sin, but He knew Adam sinned so He made up in His spirit that He would not. One of the main reasons He came here was to show us the way to heaven. Holy living.
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Then if he was walking in the Spirit 24/7 he could not have sinned! Case closed.
AGREED! But HE STILL HAD THE POTENTIAL TO cease walking in the Spirit and then to sin. And that is the whole point of this topic.
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