Water baptism is not vital for salvation?

[BrainWashed]

(runs and picks up mic ...tap....tap....is this thing on?)

A man walks Into a bar carrying jumper cables...so the bartender says, "Hey, buddy, don't start anything in here."

Originally Posted by mfblume

Baptism is so vital that the jailer, who was willing to kill himself due to the prisoners like Paul and Silas being out of the prison, was willing the LEAVE that prison and risk his neck to get baptized.

Now, how in the world is that making baptismal unnecessary for the actual salvation if this guy who wanted to kill himself rather than be caught letting prisoners out actually goes out WITH THEM, further risking his neck, to get baptized? He would have been baptized later when it was safer!!!

Those who think water baptism is not absolutely vital cannot answer that!

(Mic drop)

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Baptism is so vital that the jailer, who was willing to kill himself due to the prisoners like Paul and Silas being out of the prison, was willing the LEAVE that prison and risk his neck to get baptized.

Now, how in the world is that making baptismal unnecessary for the actual salvation if this guy who wanted to kill himself rather than be caught letting prisoners out actually goes out WITH THEM, further risking his neck, to get baptized? He would have been baptized later when it was safer!!!

Those who think water baptism is not absolutely vital cannot answer that!

(Mic drop)

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Baptism into his death!

.. so that we're dead and therefore freed from sin. This means sin shall not have dominion over us any more. And it's what Peter said about baptism in 1 Peter 3 through 4, where we put on the mind of Christ and realize that if we died with Him we need not live to sin any more.

Exactly. I mean, Peter couldn't get much clearer than this:

1 Peter 3:20-21

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

I guess ol' Petey was just mistaken.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by BrainWashed

(runs and picks up mic ...tap....tap....is this thing on?)

A man walks Into a bar carrying jumper cables...so the bartender says, "Hey, buddy, don't start anything in here."

HAHAHAHAHA!!!! That is funny!!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Water baptism IN JESUS NAME is a must!

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Water baptism IN JESUS NAME is a must!

Acts 4:12
12..Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Water baptism IN JESUS NAME is a must!

Depends on what the meaning of EIS is.

I’d like your answer, though I think I already know the answer.

Ok. I don’t know how to ask... I’ll just type anyway. Before I was baptized I was taught the purpose for baptism. They were not going to baptize me without going over it. So, I believed (faith) that my sins would be forgiven during baptism. And I was baptized.

Others teach that baptism is just for (list of reasons), but forgiveness of sins is not one of them. If they do not believe that baptism is for the remission of sin, is their baptism in vain? Are their sins forgiven?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by houston

Depends on what the meaning of EIS is.

I’d like your answer, though I think I already know the answer.

Ok. I don’t know how to ask... I’ll just type anyway. Before I was baptized I was taught the purpose for baptism. They were not going to baptize me without going over it. So, I believed (faith) that my sins would be forgiven during baptism. And I was baptized.

Others teach that baptism is just for (list of reasons), but forgiveness of sins is not one of them. If they do not believe that baptism is for the remission of sin, is their baptism in vain? Are their sins forgiven?

Maybe I've read too many Campbellite authors but I tend to believe that a person must intend to have their sins remitted by the blood in water baptism in order for it to be a genuinely apostolic baptism. In other words, the person being baptized should understand that baptism is "when" one's sins are washed away, by calling upon the Lord in faith.

However, I suspect that a person who only thinks in terms of "Jesus said do it, I want to follow Him, so I'm doing it" is probably covered. I do think if a person believes they are getting baptized as a public statement they have already been saved (Baptist type baptism) then their baptism is highly irregular at best, and possibly invalid.

[houston]

Thanks for your reply

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by houston

Depends on what the meaning of EIS is.

I’d like your answer, though I think I already know the answer.

Ok. I don’t know how to ask... I’ll just type anyway. Before I was baptized I was taught the purpose for baptism. They were not going to baptize me without going over it. So, I believed (faith) that my sins would be forgiven during baptism. And I was baptized.

Others teach that baptism is just for (list of reasons), but forgiveness of sins is not one of them. If they do not believe that baptism is for the remission of sin, is their baptism in vain? Are their sins forgiven?

Just so the KJV Nazis don’t get upset, the best way to explain the EIS “for” is with Matthew 26:28. Jesus’ blood wasn’t shed because their sins were already remitted. His blood is for the remittance. Therefore Acts 2:38 follows this.