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Old 10-08-2019, 07:40 AM
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I don't see any harm with teaching it either way..
The harm is that one view or both is wrong.

You just can't take a scripture of the Old Testament and think it's safe to have it apply to something that it's never meant to apply to. If it's not the breath of life that represents the Holy Ghost in us, then it could be the fruit of life. If it's the fruit of life then it would be wrong to say it's the breath of life, and you can't just arbitrarily say well it works and it still is a good illustration, if that's not what God meant for that to be.

And if it's the breath of life, then it can't be the fruit of life. You can't have it both ways and it's not an arbitrary thing that we can just pick and choose because it looks good. God had certain things in mind when he made those stories and those things actually occurred, and he wants us to get the proper and correct meaning behind it and the foreshadow that they actually project, and it's off key when we just think it could be anything.
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I feel almost stupid asking this...

There's a guy going around telling people that Adam and Eve had the Holy Ghost because God breathed into Adam the breath of life. He states that breath is ruach/wind/spirit. I am familiar with RUACH. However, I feel that he is reading into the text something that is NOT there.

Because ruach can mean spirit doesn't mean it should always translated be as spirit.. correct? Right. My thoughts.

Breath in Genesis 2:7 isn't ruach.

See here: https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/2-7.htm

It's neshamah.

You need to go and school this fool!
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Breath in Genesis 2:7 isn't ruach.

See here: https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/2-7.htm

It's neshamah.

You need to go and school this fool!
Ahh I didn’t even look into it. I assumed. And it is going to be my pleasure

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That is used in Isaiah 30:33 “breath of the Lord”
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I need to stop being so lazy.
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Ahh I didn’t even look into it. I assumed. And it is going to be my pleasure

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That is used in Isaiah 30:33 “breath of the Lord”
Well, that makes sense, since it refers to the Spirit of the LORD.
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I feel almost stupid asking this...

There's a guy going around telling people that Adam and Eve had the Holy Ghost because God breathed into Adam the breath of life. He states that breath is ruach/wind/spirit. I am familiar with RUACH. However, I feel that he is reading into the text something that is NOT there.

Because ruach can mean spirit doesn't mean it should always translated be as spirit.. correct? Right. My thoughts.

Paul, in Corinthians below, seems to say that Adam received natural life when God breathed into his nostrils . . .


1 Corinthians 15
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
[45] And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
[46] Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
[47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
[48] As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
[49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

It doesn’t seem to me that we have any scripture for Adam receiving the Holy Ghost.
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Paul, in Corinthians below, seems to say that Adam received natural life when God breathed into his nostrils . . .

1 Corinthians 15
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
[45] And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
[46] Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
[47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
[48] As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
[49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

It doesn't seem to me that we have any scripture for Adam receiving the Holy Ghost.
Good point
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Breath in Genesis 2:7 isn't ruach.

See here: https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/2-7.htm

It's neshamah.

You need to go and school this fool!

I have not had or taken the opportunity. I may soon. I have addressed it with others that he has "taught."
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Paul, in Corinthians below, seems to say that Adam received natural life when God breathed into his nostrils . . .


1 Corinthians 15
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
[45] And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
[46] Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
[47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
[48] As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
[49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

It doesn’t seem to me that we have any scripture for Adam receiving the Holy Ghost.
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Good point

It is a good point. What I am seeing here is that the first/natural man/Adam has a soul. The last/spiritual man/Adam was made a quickening spirit.

And in that order we are born/natural, then born again/spiritual.
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Many things to cover. The last gathering this brother told 2 young men, 19 and 16 that the people in the wilderness had the Holy Ghost. …..gah….. 2 other things that I don't recall, that need to be addressed.

One brother believes that witches turn into owls. This is insane.


Edit: he told the young men that Jesus received the Holy a Ghost at baptism
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