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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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IF that were the situation, which I seriously doubt (at least as to the crossed out items) then yes there would be no prevarication per se, but still less than honorable. |
Why less honorable if it is accepted?
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03-31-2010, 04:48 AM
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
I was told point blank by DKB, in response to my letter of resignation that the crossing out is not accepted.
And of course that if I did not subscribe to the AOF I should withdraw. Albeit, the tone of his response letter was cordial and did ask that I stay.
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One of my uncle pastors staples the Affirmation Statement to a protest letter every time he signs it. Several other pastors send similar letters. They havent pulled his license and he's been licensed in his district for 40 years. He goes to elder Bro. Kilgore as his personal mentor and several other old lions like that.
Theres a ton of pastors that cross out stuff and mess with the letter. In the end they just want the signature and to stop bleeding out developed churches in cities. If you look at a years worth of Forward magazines you will see a flow of experienced pastors out the back door and a desperate struggle to setup home missions works to make up for it.
Seriously... how many established independent oneness with 100+ members and trinitarian churches who "see the light" are beating down the door to join the UPC? The answer is a small handful a year in contrast to dozens upon dozens who leave.
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03-31-2010, 04:57 AM
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
There are ministers on AMF who can attest to signing the AS by their DS under their
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Actually, they didn't have a choice. However, I personally know more than one minister who directly approached more than one General Supt and said that they were turning in their card because of the AS. They were told to keep their card and continue signing the AS. District Supt's have told their ministers to do the same things as well. Problem is, this is not consistent across the fellowship. In one District you could be the next greatest upcoming minister and in another anathema! That's what happens when politics and power reign the day instead of reaching the lost!  |
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03-31-2010, 06:31 AM
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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It is my understanding that in Ohio a local church can ordain/license ministers and they are recognized by the state. So if the reason for license was legal recognition a person would not have to belong to a large organization like the UPC. Belonging to a large organization might give him/her greater opportunity for ministry and recognition over a larger area.
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It is true in OHIO ,I know at least 2 pastors who are " Apostolic " yet opperate independantly of any Organization.
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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It is true in OHIO ,I know at least 2 pastors who are " Apostolic " yet opperate independantly of any Organization.
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Well, I'm one of them. We (New Life Church) are recognized by the State of Ohio as an ordaining body with as much authority as any organization/denomination. Our "ordainees" are just as ordained as anyone and I have also ordained other "apostolic" ministers who were not a part of our church who wanted us to ordain them.
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03-31-2010, 09:35 AM
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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Well, I'm one of them. We (New Life Church) are recognized by the State of Ohio as an ordaining body with as much authority as any organization/denomination. Our "ordainees" are just as ordained as anyone and I have also ordained other "apostolic" ministers who were not a part of our church who wanted us to ordain them. |
If you don't mind me asking ,what part of Ohio ?
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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If you don't mind me asking ,what part of Ohio ?
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Look in the upper right hand of his post.
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03-31-2010, 10:37 AM
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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Look in the upper right hand of his post.
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Thanks I saw it after I posted sorry.
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03-31-2010, 01:24 PM
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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Thanks I saw it after I posted sorry.
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You can check out our web site as well!
Most of my info is public since I'm a pastor.
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03-31-2010, 01:27 PM
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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You can check out our web site as well!
Most of my info is public since I'm a pastor. |
That's great - transparency - I like that.
Could you please post your tax returns and medical records for 2009?
Thanks
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