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Old 11-04-2013, 07:28 PM
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"In a 2013 statement, the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation noted that many Islamic member nations restrict education opportunities for girls.[42] UNICEF notes that out of 24 nations with less than 60% female primary enrolment rates, 17 were Islamic nations; more than half the adult population is illiterate in several Islamic countries, and the proportion reaches 70% among Muslim women.[43] Other scholars[44][45] claim Islamic nations have the world's highest gender gap in education. The 2012 World Economic Forum annual gender gap study finds the 17 out of 18 worst performing nations, out of a total of 135 nations, are the following members of Organisation of Islamic Cooperation: Algeria, Jordan, Lebanon, (Nepal[46]), Turkey, Oman, Egypt, Iran, Mali, Morocco, Côte d'Ivoire, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Chad, Pakistan and Yemen."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Islam

Now, tell us again about the education of women in the backward and oppressive religion of Islam.

And once again, I call for you to publicly thank America for it's part in giving muslims a higher standard of living than they enjoyed before the oil business was developed.

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Old 11-05-2013, 05:03 AM
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And once again, I call for you to publicly thank America for it's part in giving muslims a higher standard of living than they enjoyed before the oil business was developed.


Thank you for demonstrating that these wonderful education credits that the UN is patting you on the back for do not mean that you actually have to learn or know anything. You probably need to go back to school. Some history of the oil business, which Muslims were in long before America or Americans were around.

The earliest known oil wells were drilled in China in 347 AD or earlier. They had depths of up to about 800 feet (240 m) and were drilled using bits attached to bamboo poles.[2][unreliable source?] The oil was burned to evaporate brine and produce salt. By the 10th century, extensive bamboo pipelines connected oil wells with salt springs. The ancient records of China and Japan are said to contain many allusions to the use of natural gas for lighting and heating. Petroleum was known as burning water in Japan in the 7th century.[1] In his book Dream Pool Essays written in 1088, the polymathic scientist and statesman Shen Kuo of the Song Dynasty coined the word 石油 (Shíyóu, literally "rock oil") for petroleum, which remains the term used in contemporary Chinese.

The first streets of Baghdad were paved with tar, derived from petroleum that became accessible from natural fields in the region. In the 9th century, oil fields were exploited in the area around modern Baku, Azerbaijan. These fields were described by the Arab geographer Abu al-Hasan 'Alī al-Mas'ūdī in the 10th century, and by Marco Polo in the 13th century, who described the output of those wells as hundreds of shiploads. Petroleum was distilled by the Azerbaijanian alchemist, Muhammad ibn Zakarīya Rāzi (Rhazes), in the 9th century,[3] producing chemicals such as kerosene in the alembic (al-ambiq),[4] and which was mainly used for kerosene lamps.[5] Arab and Persian chemists also distilled crude oil in order to produce flammable products for military purposes. Through Islamic Spain, distillation became available in Western Europe by the 12th century.[6] It has also been present in Romania since the 13th century, being recorded as păcură

In 1745 under the Empress Elisabeth of Russia the first oil well and refinery were built in Ukhta by Fiodor Priadunov. Through the process of distillation of the "rock oil" (petroleum) he received a kerosene-like substance, which was used in oil lamps by Russian churches and monasteries (though households still relied on candles).[12]

Oil sands were mined from 1745 in Merkwiller-Pechelbronn, Alsace under the direction of Louis Pierre Ancillon de la Sablonnière, by special appointment of Louis XV.[13] The Pechelbronn oil field was active until 1970, and was the birthplace of companies like Antar and Schlumberger. The first modern refinery was built there in 1857
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:22 AM
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I read your silly list.

LOL! It's not "my silly list", it's a list produced by the United Nations Development Programme's Human Development Report.

Why are most of the lower rated countries in the index Islamic?
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:24 AM
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LOL funny my wife, who is from an Islamic country, speaks three languages. How many do you speak again?

And how much education does she have? Compared to her contemporaries, does she have more or less? Any college?
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:26 AM
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'Health care index'? You'll find Islamic countries at the bottom of the list. That's not surprising knowing the value placed on human life in Islamic countries.

It's all good if they live longer though LOL
Of course it's not good to have second and third rate medical care. Your kind of thinking is typical for a muslim though.
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:28 AM
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How many Shia's have the Sunni's killed in the name of Allah this month? It's very early in November so it may be minimal, but give it a little time.

Pretty smart of you to change the subject. Fewer Shias killed sunnis than Americans killed each other this month. There are 4x more of them too. Go figure.

Tragic on both sides. The difference is that the killing of Shias by Sunnis (and other muslim sects) was done in the name of Allah. Islam is the most violent RELIGION on the face of the earth.
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:44 AM
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Thank you for demonstrating that these wonderful education credits that the UN is patting you on the back for do not mean that you actually have to learn or know anything. You probably need to go back to school. Some history of the oil business, which Muslims were in long before America or Americans were around.

The earliest known oil wells were drilled in China in 347 AD or earlier. They had depths of up to about 800 feet (240 m) and were drilled using bits attached to bamboo poles.[2][unreliable source?] The oil was burned to evaporate brine and produce salt. By the 10th century, extensive bamboo pipelines connected oil wells with salt springs. The ancient records of China and Japan are said to contain many allusions to the use of natural gas for lighting and heating. Petroleum was known as burning water in Japan in the 7th century.[1] In his book Dream Pool Essays written in 1088, the polymathic scientist and statesman Shen Kuo of the Song Dynasty coined the word 石油 (Shíyóu, literally "rock oil") for petroleum, which remains the term used in contemporary Chinese.

The first streets of Baghdad were paved with tar, derived from petroleum that became accessible from natural fields in the region. In the 9th century, oil fields were exploited in the area around modern Baku, Azerbaijan. These fields were described by the Arab geographer Abu al-Hasan 'Alī al-Mas'ūdī in the 10th century, and by Marco Polo in the 13th century, who described the output of those wells as hundreds of shiploads. Petroleum was distilled by the Azerbaijanian alchemist, Muhammad ibn Zakarīya Rāzi (Rhazes), in the 9th century,[3] producing chemicals such as kerosene in the alembic (al-ambiq),[4] and which was mainly used for kerosene lamps.[5] Arab and Persian chemists also distilled crude oil in order to produce flammable products for military purposes. Through Islamic Spain, distillation became available in Western Europe by the 12th century.[6] It has also been present in Romania since the 13th century, being recorded as păcură

In 1745 under the Empress Elisabeth of Russia the first oil well and refinery were built in Ukhta by Fiodor Priadunov. Through the process of distillation of the "rock oil" (petroleum) he received a kerosene-like substance, which was used in oil lamps by Russian churches and monasteries (though households still relied on candles).[12]

Oil sands were mined from 1745 in Merkwiller-Pechelbronn, Alsace under the direction of Louis Pierre Ancillon de la Sablonnière, by special appointment of Louis XV.[13] The Pechelbronn oil field was active until 1970, and was the birthplace of companies like Antar and Schlumberger. The first modern refinery was built there in 1857
First, you should recognize that the muslim population was too ignorant and backward to develop the oil into a viable commercial product. The much more advanced western industrialized nations were needing this source of energy, not the goat herders of the Islamic countries.

Because the west was so much more advanced and actually had a manufacturing industry, something the Islamist countries still don't have, the development of oil came natural to them. The Islamic nations on the other hand still measured their net worth by how many camels and goats they had in their herd.

In the article above, it gives a sporadic history but doesn't address at all the development of oil into extracting, refining and exporting at a high commercial level. There's a reason you didn't go any further and you and I both know why. When the monies started flowing by the millions and billions into the coffers of the goat herders, it was only because of the efforts of the west, and especially America. Here's a little history you conveniently left out....

"Commercial quantities of oil were not discovered in Saudi Arabia until 1938 and the first oil produced was exported by barge to Bahrain where Socal had already built an infrastructure for shipping oil to foreign markets. The first tanker of oil was exported from Saudi Arabia in 1939. And then, operations in the region were interrupted once again when World War II broke out on September 1, 1939 with the German invasion of Poland.

Following WW II, Socal and the Texas Oil Company resumed oil exploration operations in Saudi Arabia. Those efforts resulted in the discovery of the Ghawar Oil Field in 1948. It remains today the largest conventional oil field ever found (170 miles long by 19 miles wide) and has produced more than 65 billion barrels of oil. The field is estimated to currently produce over 5 million barrels of oil per day along with 2 billion cubic feet of natural gas. Oil production in Saudi Arabia is operated by Saudi Aramco and the technical information on the field, its remaining reserves and producing capacity, are closely guarded secrets.

Realizing that the volume of oil discovered at Ghawar exceeded their financial and operational capacity to fully exploit and desiring to spread their risk, the two companies sold 30% of their 50% interest to Standard Oil of New Jersey, the parent company of the Standard Oil Trust, now ExxonMobil, and 10% to Socony Vacuum, later Mobil and now part of ExxonMobil. The new partnership became the Arabian American Oil Company (Aramco) with Chevron, Texaco and Exxon each holding a 30% interest and Mobil, a 10% interest. Production began in 1951. Ghawar alone accounts for more than half the cumulative oil production from all of Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia also boasts the largest offshore oil field in the world, the Safaniya Field under the Persian Gulf. It began producing oil in 1957.

In spite of the early successes in Iran, Iraq, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia, oil riches were slow to come to many of the Middle East nations because of delays imposed by World War II. Smaller nations, dependent upon Britain, did not begin to enjoy the oil riches until the 1950s. Kuwait was the first nation in the region to develop its oil resources and became the largest oil producer by 1953. Oman did not export oil until 1967. Abu Dhabi began exporting offshore oil in 1962 and Dubai in the late 1960s."

Stop stalling. Turn you face to the west, to America, and give thanks for the help and support that turned a God forsaken wasteland of Islamic countries in the middle east into something actually productive.

Of course much of it is still a wasteland but at least it's better than goat herding.
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:52 AM
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Christianity has a violent past. Islam has a violent present, and if they dont change, a violent future. I know for a fact that those minorities who are killing in the name of GOD, are not practicing true Islam. That doesnt change the fact that there is violence in Islam. Sad really. Sad.
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:41 AM
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Christianity has a violent past. Islam has a violent present, and if they dont change, a violent future. I know for a fact that those minorities who are killing in the name of GOD, are not practicing true Islam. That doesnt change the fact that there is violence in Islam. Sad really. Sad.
Almost all religions have violence associated with them at one time or another, no doubt. The world would be a much much better place without religion.

The problem for Islam is much more than the frequent sectarian violence we see, it's a very very oppressive religion also. Even if is wasn't for the violence, Islam would still be fraught with human rights issues.
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:35 AM
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Almost all religions have violence associated with them at one time or another, no doubt. The world would be a much much better place without religion.

The problem for Islam is much more than the frequent sectarian violence we see, it's a very very oppressive religion also. Even if is wasn't for the violence, Islam would still be fraught with human rights issues.
Correct. It would be akin to the trinitarians shooting the oneness believers. Its sad like I said. Again, with the human rights issues, its still not real Islam.
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