Uncut Hair and the Nazirite Vow for Women

[Esaias]

BTW, here's a link to the whole debate, covering (!) several nights, broken down into multiple videos - https://m.youtube.com/user/jlw515/videos

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Perhaps the head covering vs uncut hair debate belongs in another thread? Since this thread is, after all, about whether or not Scripture teaches uncut hair for women, and not really about head covering?

Good point, I'll refrain from further comment so the thread can stay on track

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I could steal this guy's points but I would rather just post it. But he shows what the covering is by scripture. And I say just watch Brother Weatherly instead. Start the video at 19:30 and just watch his first remark. Brother RDP put this yesterday, and I checked out some of it, and I think he showed rather well passage for passage. And yes there is multiple scriptures. Check it out.

Wow!!!

At first glance I got scared. I thought Brother Weatherly became bald. But I was looking at the bank robber bishop Jerry "infant baptism" Hayes.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I saw that also and think the post from Segraves explains it better, that shorn is cutting regardless of amount

That's exactly what it means in Greek and English "to cut", "to cut off" "or to shave" they are all synonymous in the Greek and the English. That's the whole purpose of the creation reference.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

That's exactly what it means in Greek and English "to cut", "to cut off" "or to shave" they are all synonymous in the Greek and the English. That's the whole purpose of the creation reference.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Perhaps the head covering vs uncut hair debate belongs in another thread? Since this thread is, after all, about whether or not Scripture teaches uncut hair for women, and not really about head covering?

I only posted it because what he said about the uncut hair scripturally, in the first part. The reference to Nadab and Abihu, and Job. Which sheds light upon Numbers and the woman and the covering.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Wow!!!

At first glance I got scared. I thought Brother Weatherly became bald. But I was looking at the bank robber bishop Jerry "infant baptism" Hayes.

The guy trying to push for relevancy of the head covering is for infant baptism?

[berkeley]

Thought he was your pastor when you lived in the area.

Originally Posted by Esaias

What's with this "Apostolic Orthodox Church International" and "14 lines of apostolic succession" business, though?

Wild wacky world of American religion, I guess...

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by berkeley

Thought he was your pastor when you lived in the area.

[Costeon]

Originally Posted by rdp

[COLOR="Blue"][FONT="Georgia"]*So good to see you "got it" .

If you think that, you (and Amanah) didn't understand what I meant. I said really nothing more than what I said on page 1 (!) of this thread.

"But does "shorn" simply mean "to cut"? If someone looked the word up in a Greek lexicon, they might be able to maintain this definition, but the meaning of words is not determined by looking at a lexicon or dictionary alone; you have to look up the contexts in which the word occurs to determine the range of meaning of this word and to truly understand the lexicon definition."

Of course this was before I had read the foreword of BDAG and realized you and I had not been talking about the entry for keiro as they intended, and I didn't fully understand how they presented the lexical data. It was only after reading the foreword did I realize, according to their own words and not our interpretations of their words, they give one only one definition for keiro, "to shear." If I would have read the foreword before page 1 of this thread I would have already known that BDAG does not list several meanings for keiro based on varied contexts, as they do for many other words, but gives only the one-word formal equivalent shear for all the contexts the verb appears in.

Still the general point I made on page 1 stands. The full meaning of words is seen in the context of actual Greek texts. You have taken their one definition and tried to make it have various meanings. I have showed how all the verses from the Bible and the passages from secular Greek literature they list as evidence for the meaning "shear" or the evidence listed after their suggested translations to bring out the significance of the verb being in the middle voice involve cutting short the hair.