Taking You Back

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

I'm pre-wrath

Does your Church teach it? I know more individual saints are seeing the post trib or pre wrath. Whats hard to find are Pastors teaching it.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I know several Oneness Post- Trib preachers.

My Pastor is "Pan Trib" and i think he leans toward post.

I know Bro Larry Booker has claimed "Pan Trib" and seems to lean toward Post.

Bro David Adams is a very adament Post Trib preacher in Parkersburg WV.

Good to hear!

I know Dave Huston in Carlise Pa teaches post trib. Mark Nutting in Lyons Wis also. Elder Donald Lance taught it but I dont know where he is now. My former Pastor Delbert Havens from Springfield Ohio taught it.

The Alvears also teach it.

I would like to hear more about David Adams sounds good.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

There are others who are not far from his view they would ask the question "Who then can be lost?"

I guess by reading your posts, Elder, my question would be "Who then can be saved?"

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by tv1a

How do you know David Adams? I have family in Parkersburg.

I go to church in Harrisville and he and his family fellowship with us frequently. I'm pretty good friends with his youngest son.

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Good to hear!

I know Dave Huston in Carlise Pa teaches post trib. Mark Nutting in Lyons Wis also. Elder Donald Lance taught it but I dont know where he is now. My former Pastor Delbert Havens from Springfield Ohio taught it.

The Alvears also teach it.

I would like to hear more about David Adams sounds good.

He's got a book called "Pre-Tribulation Rapture: Fact or Fiction".

I have both books.

Also has a commentary on Revelation with his own translation from the Greek.

He's a really good man.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

He's got a book called "Pre-Tribulation Rapture: Fact or Fiction".

I have both books.

Also has a commentary on Revelation with his own translation from the Greek.

He's a really good man.

Excellent works that utterly demolish the "Pre-Trib" hypothesis. I have them both in my library.

A well known OP scholar made the mistake of approaching him once at a camp-meeting & essentially challenged him on his commentary/translation of the Revelation.

Let's just say he probably won't do that again ! Bro. Adams essentially handed him his head on a platter & the man just sat there looking like Sammy-Sausage-Head.

Sadly, I know a large church between the N. & S. Pole(s) that would not carry his book in their bookstore because he advocates the biblical position of Post-trib.

Mind-Boggling......& they never even reviewed his books!?

He is one of my Elders & we speak frequently.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Have you read the comments on this thread? There is one poster who believes in Univeralism that every human will be eventually saved.

Everyone came under condemnation by Adam, Jesus Christ's actions UNDID Adam!

So, you believe that sin is more powerful than the blood of Jesus? What did the mass of folks do to deserve damnation? Answer: Be born.

Jesus said, "...it is finished...", you believe he needs your help to complete the redemption of the world. Not so, not so.

Everyone will be brought into right relationship to the Creator, and with each other. It is a process, yet it will come to pass.

Yes, Adam is UNDONE, we (none of us) know yet what we shall be, but we know that when we SEE Him, we shall be like Him.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Everyone came under condemnation by Adam, Jesus Christ's actions UNDID Adam!

So, you believe that sin is more powerful than the blood of Jesus? What did the mass of folks do to deserve damnation? Answer: Be born.

Jesus said, "...it is finished...", you believe he needs your help to complete the redemption of the world. Not so, not so.

Everyone will be brought into right relationship to the Creator, and with each other. It is a process, yet it will come to pass.

Yes, Adam is UNDONE, we (none of us) know yet what we shall be, but we know that when we SEE Him, we shall be like Him.

YOur theory hasn't cooled Hell down one degree or shortened one minute.

[not4saken]

Guess I picked a good time to re-visit, then!!

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I see a revival on here of Apostolic Thought and Doctrine. Lord do it again. When JY started FCF it was for the purpose of Apostolics that were deverse to discuss varying points of doctrine in the "Apostolic" movement. Y'all have drifted way off course maybe this is a reversal?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

YOur theory hasn't cooled Hell down one degree or shortened one minute.

All your human efforts and works hasn't accomplished one iota of bringing a person closer to understanding God.

Your vision of God is either too weak to save, or else does not want to save all that he created. Which is it??? Where did the idea that God deserts his creation after physical death, come from? Sure not from God, it is only after physical death that He completes what was accomplished at the cross.

What Father would be so angry at a child that he physically tortures and torments that child because it doesn't do what he wants??? Yet you expect us to believe that the Creator with all power and time, does infinitely worst??? Not only for 70 years, equal to the aveage life, not for 700 years, nor 7,000, nor 7 million, nor billion, nor trillion years.... You don't really believe that, it is too horrible to believe....

GOD IS LOVE, not just loves, He is LOVE, how can these things be????